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Artiantil

Would You Look At That

Hey, I actually posted art because I think this website has much better features than FA. If only it wasn't furry-only and adult-only, maybe there'd actually be a community here to see the art. XD
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Added: 7 years, 12 months ago
 
starling
7 years, 12 months ago
Weeell I'm happier to have a smaller site that's a bit more targeted at furry without letting lots of other stuff in. We might change the no humans rule some time though. Lots of reasons for that one. ;.; Sorry we haveta keep minors off the site. Having a "don't show adult material" for them is NOT a good solution. xD Kids just shouldn't be on porn sites. People just gotta keep posting and the community will grow!
Artiantil
7 years, 12 months ago
You're an admin? XD Hah, I had no idea.

But, I still disagree. I think Inkbunny's purpose, from my perspective, revolves around the ability to censor that which you don't want to see. Most furry artists that I've encountered enjoy doing artwork that is not of the fandom, because, frankly, it gets old. There's only so many times you can draw something furry until you have the overpowering desire to draw a picture of post apocalyptic Washington D.C. with human survivors (random example, I know XP), and of course you'd wish to show that picture off. You made a point in saying that Inkbunny is solely a porn site however, in which case I can understand the ban. It's disappointing that it is *only* a porn site, because the software is fantastic. For a site that really preaches it's ability to see only what you want to see, it harbors a lot of restrictions that really makes it so there's an incredible turn-off to the site. :/ The software here is for social networking, but the purpose of a porn site is to go, fap, and then go back to whatever social networking site you were at before.
Artiantil
7 years, 12 months ago
Sorry for wall of texting you, by the way. D:
starling
7 years, 12 months ago
Hehe no problem.

Inkbunny isn't a site only for porn. But it has porn on it, which is why minors are banned.

Most of the uploads on Inkbunny are actually G rated! :D

We cannot allow human characters for now because some of the companies we rely on for payment and hosting services view human+furry as bestiality. To negotiate the payment rates and other things, we decided to ban all human characters so we could say to those companies "okay we have some pretty weird stuff to sell but hey there's no humans so it's okay, right?". That was a simple, clear and effective way of getting them to agree. :P

Now they have seen we are a serious growing site that makes them money, we are negotiating with lifting those restrictions somewhat.
Artiantil
7 years, 12 months ago
But if it's a site for porn AND G-rated content, then what is the point of the minor ban? To ban a good chunk of the fandom from a site because it shares its servers with pornography is a bit odd, to say the least. In that respect alone, Inkbunny is more of a porn website with social networking software that's essentially been rendered useless. Like I said before, the fact that a lot of the fandom isn't allowed on the site when they can be easily blocked from any explicit content makes it so people don't want to come here. They can't interact with everyone they want to interact with. I just came of age to be on this site within the last year, and I can tell you that I still have a lot of friends who aren't allowed on the site, which really makes it so I don't want to be here for anything other than the porn. You guys focus on filtering art and making it so it doesn't display if it doesn't want to be seen, so blocking minors from art hardly seems reasonable.

Anyway, sorry for wall-of-texting you again. XD Good luck with the company and the negotiations, I wish you guys the best of luck.
starling
7 years, 11 months ago
Oh I'd love to allow everyone on here. But I don't think I'd like jail. "Please don't turn on adult material viewing if you're a minor" isn't good enough. It won't stand up in court, that's for sure. When we're selling porn on a site, we have to show we are taking all reasonable steps to keep minors from accessing it. It's just not worth the kind of risk that (very very few) other sites take by mixing minors and porn in the same place.

Thanks for the best wishes!
Artiantil
7 years, 11 months ago
If someone registered as a minor, then why would you even let them view pornography? Saying, "Please don't turn on adult material viewing" would be stupid. You all have systems in place for filtering art, I hardly think a mature content filter would be that hard a system to install. There's a reason why every art website has a mature content filter. If the Inkbunny staff is trying to make a furry art community, then you guys are ultimately failing at it. No one takes Inkbunny as a viable alternative to Furaffinity, and it's almost solely due the the age restrictions and human art ban. Why would you want to go to a website where you couldn't talk to all of your friends? I use Inkbunny in a similar way that I use deviantART: to find artists that I can watch and socialize with on Furaffinity. I don't think Inkbunny is a very good website, but it's a great porn site. Love the porn. Hate the social networking aspect that Furaffinity has down pat, despite their crappy programming. I don't want to be blunt, but Inkbunny is incredibly subpar due to its restrictions, and is only good for the sale and distribution of porn, which can easily be done elsewhere. :/
starling
7 years, 11 months ago
" Artiantil wrote:
and it's almost solely due the the age restrictions


I doubt that. You are the only person I have ever heard complain about it.
Artiantil
7 years, 11 months ago
No offense, but there aren't exactly too many people on the site to complain about it. O-o
Kargrash
7 years, 11 months ago
Sadly no matter what you do a smart minor is gonna find a way onto sites like these.
Artiantil
7 years, 11 months ago
Yeah, they'll just lie about their age. The only difference with not allowing them is that they actually will lie about their age to get on, and so you won't block them from the pornography, whereas FA at least gives you the option to be honest, which allows them to block the minors from the porn. Starling has very backwards logic. D:
starling
7 years, 11 months ago
I did mention the LAW right? I'm not getting through.
Artiantil
7 years, 11 months ago
The law says you can't subject them to porn. Like I said, mature content filter.

I'm not getting through either, am I? >.<
starling
7 years, 11 months ago
Yes, definitely. But I'm talking about complying with the LAW which says I have take reasonable steps to keep minors away from pornography. Allowing them on the site but asking them not to tick a box is not good enough.
Artiantil
7 years, 11 months ago
You don't allow them to tick that box. I'm saying add an additional filter in place, because you guys pretty much seem to have a handle on the whole "filter" thing. Don't let them see the porn. It's not that hard.
starling
7 years, 11 months ago
I'm really clear on the laws in the countries in which IB operates as a commercial entity. You do not seem to be. US law is meaningless to us.

I also have to consider the concerns of our service providers and payment gateway providers, who are really touchy about how we operate. A special filter is not the answer to a complex legal and commercial issue.
Artiantil
7 years, 11 months ago
If your servers are in the US, then they are under United States law, and more specifically the laws of that state where the servers are located. It doesn't matter where you operate, it matters where your servers are. If I wanted to, I could start a server in a country without laws on intellectual property and copyright, and host every single piece of media from the United States on it.

The latter of those two paragraphs is where you have a point. If you feel that your providers wouldn't support the idea of a social networking site that isn't so restrictive, instead of a porn site, then by all means that is a valid excuse. I question the stake your providers put in your website, but that's as far as I'm willing to take that end of the argument.

Anyway, you've made your point, I've made mine, and at the very end of it all you've explained Inkbunny's motives. Thanks very much for your time, and, to be honest, you are the first administrator to directly reply to any critique I've made. I'm critical, but I still adore Inkbunny's coding and want to see it prosper. I understand that it's not meant as a FurAffinity replacement, but most of the fandom is seeking a FurAffinity replacement at this point so it'd be a nice dream, at the very least.

So, yeah, thanks for the exchange. ^^
starling
7 years, 11 months ago
Thankfully our servers are not in the US. :P
Artiantil
7 years, 10 months ago
My argument has been thwarted. You fiend. D:
GreenReaper
7 years, 11 months ago
Every site makes choices, based on the situation and objectives of its owners. In this case, the decision to allow the sale of adult work led to the requirement that we offer accounts solely to adults.

This will limit the audience in some ways. But it also frees us from the hassles that come with such users; and there are many, both legal and social. And - dare I say it? - it might also increase the average quality of work uploaded.

FA is FA. We are not FA, nor do we wish to be. Hopefully we can still offer you and other adults something of value. :-)
Artiantil
7 years, 11 months ago
I'm merely critiquing the website. I understand that this isn't FA, but in my opinion the restrictions of the website make it worse than FurAffinity. Just my opinion, however. I can understand the restrictions in place, but I still think it comes down to the fact that this is nothing more than a porn playground.
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