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KichigaiKitsune

An Interesting Question...

Got this several times now, and I always find it interesting.

To paraphrase: "Do you ever imagine any of your characters to be a particular 'race'?"

The answer is, I really, really don't. I don't see how I can make a furry character analogous to a "race" of human, given that I don't believe humans of any given race are homogeneous in terms of behavior, attitude or intelligence.

I'm not "white-knighting" or anything here. Seriously, I don't. So I can't make a non-human represent a "race" or "cline" of human in that way. In fact, a lot people (including David-Craig Simpson, creator and artist of "Ozzy and Millie", one of the reasons I'm even here today) have said they like the fact that furry characters allow them to avoid dealing with sensitive issues like racism.

That said, I've always wanted to stick a panda in a story and have him be from France or something, reminding other characters of that rather firmly whenever they assume he's Chinese.

The question usually arises when Nick Davis from Astray is being discussed. One person, who is part indigenous American himself, asked if Nick was supposed to be an "African American" or indigenous American.

I found that an interesting query, and no the person wasn't being racist at all. It was actually because Nick is a cheetah, a relatively rare animal, thus essentially a "minority." Pretty interesting line of reasoning.

But the answer is no, and if nothing else I'd like to point out that most of the street kids, kids in the "system" and general delinquents I've known or met, by a sweeping majority, have been white. Don't ask me why that is, probably because this nation is Caucasian by majority.

Granted, I don't know the fine details like that about how it is in America, but I'm talking about my experience.

As cool as that line of reasoning may be, I would never think of it myself because my characters are not intended to be any "race" or "cline" of humankind. That's... one whole hell of a lot of quagmire there that I'm not sinking myself into and I see no reason to.
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Added: 6 years, 9 months ago
 
vulPN
6 years, 9 months ago
Race=species, IMO. For example, I see the issue of segregation approached as one species trying to do "seperate but equal" on the others. This would most certainly be a species in the majority, likely your domestic canines or felines. But, I dunno.
KichigaiKitsune
6 years, 9 months ago
Pigs. Because some animals are more equal than others.
vulPN
6 years, 9 months ago
You've done your homework, and read your Orwell. Good.
KichigaiKitsune
6 years, 9 months ago
Yuppers!
squirrelfox
6 years, 9 months ago
92% of Australians are Caucasian (70% being Anglo-Celtic), so that's prooooobably why most of the street kids you've known are white.  Another 7% are Asian, and the remaining 1% are either aboriginal or other.

For comparison, 64% of Americans are Caucasian, 15% Hispanic, 13% Black, 5% Asian, 1% Native American (or whatever the PC term is right now), and 2% being multiracial.

So technically, Caucasians are still the majority here, too, though that's steadily declining, largely due to the the expansion of the Hispanic population through immigration, though also helped along by generally higher birth rates among Hispanics and Blacks than among Caucasians.

Race... it's weird.
squirrelfox
6 years, 9 months ago
I got the numbers for Australia from the CIA World Factbook.  My understanding of that last 1% there would include folks of mixed-race ancestry, which got support from a break-down I found from an official Australian census from '99.

US statistics from the US Census Bureau.
mbmar
6 years, 9 months ago
For me, giving a particular species a race leads to stereotypical characters. I've seen ithappen in a lot of comics that choose to do that. Plus its a fairly thorny area that can easily be avoided. Now in a real life furry type world, there would be amount of speciesism. You've mentioned it in tais story by having mike comment that otters can swim better. Segregation would be a reality I think, and i think it would be more legitimate then racism because there are concrete physical differences. There could even issues with intelligence thrown in there. I think it would be interesting to see someone use that issue in a story. The usual way I've seen is penis size, which *is* interesting.
KichigaiKitsune
6 years, 9 months ago
Yeah, ironically that's correct. The "racism" in a furry world would actually be justified - although I hate the idea of having one species as more intelligent than another, so that's one I avoid. I'm glad you remembered Mike's comment there. >:3

But yeah, your characters either become shallow stereotypes or it's a matter of "if {character} was meant to be analogous to a 'black' human, how exaaactly are you meant to be able to tell?" They should behave exactly the same way as anyone else... unless you do something ridiculous like give it black fur.

Penis size, huh? Like the whole "horse character with 11-inch implement of doom" thing?
vulPN
6 years, 9 months ago
I could definitely see that, and inversely with cats and 4-inchers.
KichigaiKitsune
6 years, 9 months ago
Huh, I didn't know about that.

Funny, actually. Since most of my characters are cubs, the idea of a 4-inch thingy is actually kinda impressive.
vulPN
6 years, 9 months ago
4 inches is a fairly average size when you're younger, from what I remember as an early teen with a ruler and wandering eyes.
RainyKirin
6 years, 9 months ago
The only time I saw race really work in a 'furry' setting was in "Maus", of course it's not actually a furry anything so...yup.
I also vaguely remember a comic artist/writer who got a lot of flack for portraying all black people as hyenas (and rightly so in my opinion).

Any bigotry is based off of species or nationality in my stupid furry universe. :T Because let's face it. No one likes French antlions.
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