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I still think it's a good thing that its allowed. While not everyone will I believe a lot of people will follow the source anyway cause of how common practice it is. I don't follow many comissioners cause I KNOW I that following them wont give me more of that art.

I do follow some commissioners though because while an artist who does mostly/only commissions will present only a style. The commissioners are the opposite in that they only offer a taste. Maybe they commission a few artists i don't really like but when they comission them they do so requesting it to their personal taste (done in the artist's style) and I ultimately will be more likely to like a picture I otherwise wouldn't have seen.

neitsuke

9 years, 1 month ago

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@ KitRyuu

Because they get advertised back and get sourced doesn't mean they should be allowed to upload pictures they didn't even touch once. Again your own gallery is supposed to display your work you managed to create, not other's

Taleir

9 years, 1 month ago

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I upload images drawn by others to my gallery because I helped create them.  I generated the idea, I assisted the artist in rendering it, and I paid the artist for their time.  It also often contains characters of my creation, all of which I am just as happy to let them show on their gallery.

You're pretty caught up in only one part of the creative process.  There is more to it than putting pencil to paper (or stylus to tablet, as the case tends to be).  If it wasn't for people like me, awesome community works like Harmarist and kitaness' Sheath and Knife would never have been created.

And by your desire to favorite commissioned works, you obviously appreciate their work.  So, why do you have to insult me by insinuating that I shouldn't have the right to display works featuring my ideas, my characters, and my portion of the work that went into their creation in my gallery?

neitsuke

9 years, 1 month ago

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That's pretty much the big problem here. Most of the artists need those people ready to pay up for pictures so they can make money, so yeah they do need those people ready to spend a lot of money to see their OCs being drawn by them so they can show what they didn't draw to everyone to comment instead to actually try for themselves because it's easier that way.
Yeah the idea and characters are yours, so what ? Should I upload every pictures done by my friends into my gallery just because they happened to be some ideas I suggested or because they happened to draw my character ? My gallery would have been much wider with that logic.
You have the rights to show your work yeah, but it's just freaking unethical to (re)post the picture in your personal gallery, intended to showcase what you have created, not in what you assisted and paid for.
It's all about fame and money these days. While everyone is spending money to fill up "their" gallery with pictures they never touched once, people who legitimately draw, spending time and efforts, who don't care about money, have to work their ass off being flooded by those constantly, and those YCH LAST OFFER all the time

Taleir

9 years, 1 month ago

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I did create it, with the assistance of somebody else, so it unquestioningly belongs in my gallery: a place where I display things I helped to create.  The only thing is that I do not hold copyright on the artwork itself, and if the artist asked me to, I would be required to exclude it.  It wouldn't alter my shared ownership of some characters and the idea, though.

Hmm...  Let's take a current example.  thekzx recently did a story that prompted 8Horns to draw some delicious fan-art of a particular scene that he enjoyed.  By your logic, TheKZX has no entitlement what-so-ever to the rendering 8Horns made of a scene he wrote and using characters he created because he didn't draw it; hell, he didn't even pay for it!  By uploading the art to his account (presumably with permission), he is unethically benefiting from 8Horn's work.

Doesn't that sound like a bit of a douche-bag way to think?  You're taking credit that is due to one person and handing it to another, when the credit is to be shared between them; you insult everybody involved in a creative work doing that.  You're just taking somebody's work and ideas and taking a big dump all over it just because they didn't draw it themselves, like it has absolutely no value at all.  All this, while simultaneously having the hypocritical desire to favorite the work they helped create.

You like the commissioner's work, yet you feel they don't deserve credit for their hand in its creation.  That's a real messed up way of thinking.

neitsuke

9 years, 1 month ago

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So what ? If people would draw fanart of my OCs I have no rights to upload their stuff on my gallery because they have my characters in it. Again this is a stupid way to think. Because the character belongs to you doesn't mean you have the ethical right to upload other stuff that people made, on your behalf or not. You are messing everything up with entitlement or character is mine = I have the rights to upload that on my gallery, again, stupid way to think.

I really hate to repeat myself so I'm not going to bother trying to type any more. Of course you are going to defend all that because you actually are doing this, it's like trying to argue with a console fanboy about how PCs are superior as a fact and they keep giving reasons still

Keeran

9 years, 1 month ago

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Except you do have a right. Inkbunny's policy says you are allowed to post art done for you or by you. Have a problem with that? Go to Weasyl or Hentai-foundry.

Besides, you know, it can also help promote an artist, especially when a popular commissioner posts art of a blooming artist and promotes them by giving their credit. More exposure = more views and watchers = more commissions. Hell, there's also the idea of collabs too. You gonna shit on people for that too?

neitsuke

9 years, 1 month ago

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Dude, I'm not saying they can't, I'm saying they should not. Of course the rules are set like that since it has become common practice, like with those YCH LAST OFFER deleted every 5 minutes then uploaded again.

And again with this promoting excuse. God damn it I'm repeating myself every time. That's not the issue here. And yeah collabs are 100% fine by me, like how the word collab means, two or people worked on the picture. OMG actually some logic here

Keeran

9 years, 1 month ago

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Okay, the YCH offer ones are annoying, i'll give you that one.

And what? Promoting is a good thing! it gives you more watchers. You know how many arists I find onInkbunny, Furaffinity, or any other art site, and they DON'T get  any attention at all? t's hard. and when you're a full time artist. you need as much as you can get.

Plus, there's other reasons, i'll probably have to come up with them as i come along the way.

first off: usually here,  it's the commissioner that posts first. The artist posts later becasue they either have too much time clearing up commission queue, or just went off their stream.

then here's the other reasons:
1) Socials: People re-post characters becasue in their gallery becasue it can be a database of character references or a chronology of things that happen. And it's great when you have to sell a character that has a lot of art . Rather than searching the original artist's sea of commissioned work. you can give the buyer a link to your sold character's pools.  Dropbox is okay, but you have a file limit depending on how large the filesize is.  and when it's really HD stuff, that really taxes on those image hosting sites. You could post on places like imgur or imageshack or majhost, but they might get removed, for example,

ShinyMelanie

's human Sierra art Aogami did for her.

While Inkbunny's an art site, it is also a community site.

2)Security. This goes in hand to the first point I mentioned. If you're an artist like

Aogami

, you have a shit-ton of art you WON'T be able to find your commissions unless you took about 8 hours of your time to look for it. and Ain't NOBODY got time 'fo dat.
There's also the case where an artist does a delete/mass wipe. The may get banned, or decide to delete their art for God know s why. And you need to make sure your commission is there. They may leave inkbunny becasue "eww cub" when they posted cub porn and you've lost that art forever. Say good bye to that $200 dollar full color commission @Acorn made for you when someone like

Tricksta

could have made the same thing for 40 bucks. but nooo, you had to spend that money and waste it only to never find that ref of your Hard Gay Rainbow fox/otter/bunny cub with a horsedick that cums rainbows and skittles!

-joking aside, I know there's no point in trying to convince you on what you think. but i hope what i have proposed does shed some light on the situation. And believe me, I know quite a few autistic people who don't see that thing until you have to patiently explain why certain things are.

neitsuke

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That's exactly my main reason on why I am complaining in the first place. That's a pretty stupid way to promote the artist : Copying the same picture on what's supposed to be your personal gallery. And once again how the attention is so important overall. Again one of the many reasons why I find that dumb, saying that people do that mostly for the attention.

They can patiently wait for the art to be posted. If the artist has it done but doesn't upload it, then it should be the commissioner's job to remind him (Without sounding like a jackass of course) that it's not been uploaded yet. Again, just one of the many excuses I hear. I had Clynde's commissions done with me, and he didn't upload them the exact same day, but I actually was able to patiently wait and didn't feel the urge to upload his artwork on my gallery for attention sake.

Now for reference sheets. Actually they do sound something that I will be fine about people (re)posting in their gallery because technically they are info for their characters. The problem is I barely see anything like that when I try to look at some pictures I find interesting and them get greeted with "lol not done by me but it's on my personal gallery anyway"

While this is very true that artists tend to ragequit all the time, it's just another stupid reason in my book. Any sane person would at least keep the commission he got somewhere on his (pr0n) folder, and if something like that actually happens, then yeah I would have less of a problem here, but again, I only saw that case happen once, and the pictures got uploaded on e621, not on the dude's personal gallery (Even if he actually tends to do that, sadly)

Overall I just find all that unnecessary and not needed. The only legit reason I can see why people are doing that in the first place is, again, the attention they can sponge by posting pictures they have no involvement creating them, and no telling the dude how you want your OC to suck the other's dick is not an involvement at all like everyone was moaning at me. Yeah you are all permitted to do that within the rules, it still doesn't change my opinion on the matter

Keeran

9 years, 1 month ago

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I mean, it's your opinion, Personally, i find your reasoning and logic to not add up at all.  But that's just me and practically every artist and commissioner here to be honest.

Like I said, there's many reasons why it's done. for example, collaborative works is another good example.  And like i mentioned before, yeah, people can have a "porn" folder. but what happens when the data is lost?  What happens when the artist you got that commission wiped that data so you can't get it again?

Yes, people do things to "get" more attention. it's called PR. whether you're a commissioner with creative concepts and piss poor drawing/animating/modeling skill or an artist with no creative ideas, but a creative craft, Fame is pretty much a currency. and the more known you are, the more watchers you get. Simple 'nuff.

If you don't like the idea,  there's always Hentai-Foundry or Weasyl, but your gallery'll be pretty empty if you're not a good quality artist. (they reject submissions that are sub-par with quality standards.)

neitsuke

9 years, 1 month ago

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Like I said before to those other dudes, I have 0 problem with collaborations because, those 2+ guys actually worked on the picture. It just saddens me that the hobby of drawing pictures is all about money and squeezing all of the juice out of it while it lasts instead of actually be for the fun factor.

Also I am not going to spread on 9001 different galleries. I'm content with what/where I am. Even if I would that "problem" will pretty much happen elsewhere too so there's no point to always move around. And my gallery won't be empty because I (did) suck at drawing, but simply because I actually draw for fun when I feel like it, so not too often.

I only voiced my opinion/frustration on the matter, I am not telling anyone to stop doing that, it just annoys me how every time I think I found someone who draws interesting stuff, with the thought "Hey maybe this guy draws other great stuff I may watch him" to be greeted with "Lol not by me lol" is irritating in the long run, that's pretty much all

Taleir

9 years, 1 month ago

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Reasons you fail to refute.  Your major argument is "So what!?"

God, you opinon is like saying that the thousand-some people who helped make a movie don't deserve recognition because the producer has the top credit.  I have every right to display my work so long as the artist grants me permission; as I said before, they have copyright on the work itself.  Most artists just aren't stuck up like you are.  They recognize the piece was a joint effort and want to show that through mutual display on their galleries.

Why don't you take that stick up your ass and run it off to Weasyl.  You'd like their policies better...

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Hey there bud calm down with the aggression here. It is just hard to actually argument when the start of your own is an argument from fallacy by stating that "Giving ideas = the content is mine" with examples that don't even have to do with the current issue : People uploading stuff they didn't create, ideas/chars their own or not. Yeah you have the rights to do that if the artist says it's fine, it still doesn't change the fact that it is stupid and unnecessary and mostly only done to get more attention.

Again throwing stuff that doesn't have anything to do with what I'm saying. Because I didn't upload Clyndemoon's commissions I paid him, twice, doesn't mean I don't recognize the guy. You know why ? I told him in person that I loved his pictures he made for me, and that's usually enough. Even if I paid him, he drew that from his own hand (One drawing the picture and the other one too busy fappin' to Pommy) and unlike most of other people, I don't feel the urge to drag in more attention to my gallery using something I have no involvement, even if it was my damn idea and money.

Plus eeeeew Weasyl, sounds like a brand of Vaseline

Taleir

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You're not recognizing your own fallacy.  I'm not "giving" them ideas; I retain ownership of all ideas I provide them.  They ARE mine.  It's something called "intellectual property" and its sort of a big fucking deal these days.  A work of art is often under multiple protections; the characters are protected, the idea and story are protected, and the work itself, the image, is protected, all individually.

I treat it like its mine because it actually IS mine!

An artist does not immediately hold ownership of all those parts simply because they drew it.  They get implicit copyright on the image they drew, and therefore, they can set the rules as to how it is displayed, which I respect.  Conversely, they may not take my characters, my settings, and my ideas and start belting out more images without my permission.  That'd be like Retro deciding to give Nintendo the finger and start making their own Donkey Kong games without their permission and without compensation, just because they made games for them before.

Its very complicated, but suffice it to say, I do have ownership of the content in the pic.  Not all of it, but a substantial portion of it.  I have as much right to credit and recognition for the work as the artist does.

I'd prefer to show the image in my gallery, but if the artist would rather just give me a credit in the description, then that is fine.  I just may not commission them again if they do that.  I enjoy showing my work to others, getting comments, engaging my fans, and have a good time.  That's why I'm here!  That's why I have 3000 watchers!  That's why I invest some hundreds of dollars a month to do it.

Don't you belittle my work, spewing your ignorance about this subject.

neitsuke

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Well yeah, I give up, I will not repeat that because the character is yours, it doesn't make the picture you didn't work on it at all yours too, and have the right to upload it on your gallery, a place intended to share work you, you know, worked on it, like you actually did somethin- Oh wait, well that's too late.

Also that last paragraph, just confirms what I was repeating all this time. People care more about buying their fame with money instead of actually working on it. Thanks for confirming that

MaDrow

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"	Taleir wrote:
	Its very complicated, but suffice it to say, I do have ownership of the content in the pic. Not all of it, but a substantial portion of it. I have as much right to credit and recognition for the work as the artist does.

Not every artist would automatically agree with you. I know the laws differs per country. But there is also something like morality.

Taleir wrote:

I'd prefer to show the image in my gallery, but if the artist would rather just give me a credit in the description, then that is fine. I just may not commission them again if they do that. I enjoy showing my work to others, getting comments, engaging my fans, and have a good time. That's why I'm here! That's why I have 3000 watchers! That's why I invest some hundreds of dollars a month to do it.

So you rather invest in your "online-hipsterness" than in the artists? Artists are just tools for you? |=(:/ Also throwing away $100 per month to be and stay relevant is simply said pathetic.

Keeran

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"	MaDrow wrote:
	Not every artist would automatically agree with you. I know the laws differs per country. But there is also something like morality.

You know, people post art of others for profit, especially for commission purposes. Gov'ts do it, Religions do it, even musicians do it for their album covers. So what?

"	MaDrow wrote:
	So you rather invest in your "online-hipsterness" than in the artists? Artists are just tools for you? \|=(:/ Also throwing away $100 per month to be and stay relevant is simply said pathetic.

The artists get what they want. Money, and attention, and 'mo money. I don't think it hurts them especially if the commissioner gives them credit. So i don't see what's pissing you off here. I mean, if someone does art ff my IP, it's still my IP, but their labor on that art. They don't own my IP for drawing it. Which is why artists can't claim MLP as their IP.

MaDrow

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Beat me why you think I'm pissed off.

And yes, artist have their money and with that indirectly support from Taleir. However Taleir implied she isn't commissioning artists to support them, but to get attention-attracting props for her own status.

Given your tone of writing, I think you're mocking the wrong person here.

Keeran

9 years, 1 month ago

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i'm not mocking anyone here, but I think from what you and the OP have said,  you guys are clearly missing the point. Yes, It's a lot of image traffic reposting an image an artist posts, but you have to consider many factors on why it gets posted.
1) Generally speaking, it's the commissioners who post the commissioned art first before the artist,  especially after an artist streams.
2) Whether people think it or not, Inkbunny is a community, not just another art site. people repost art of their characters for a reason, (refs, stories, etc.) Not to mention, it's safer to keep that  in their gallery because there have been artists that HAVE left (becasue "ew, cub porn!") and artist that just clear their gallery for the hell of it. and it's good to safekeep that data. Not everyone can have flash drives to save the porn of their mentally spewed gay rainbow foxotterbunnies. And it's hella frustrating if you spent a lot of money and thee latter happens.

As for Taleir saying she posts art she commissioned for personal fame,  and, your point is? So what? There are artists here that do the same thing when they art. Some artists art becasue they want to get paid they don't support their fanbase. They just want their money.

And so what? the Evil Lord Taleir's taking over the world by drawing you in with IP she's made in her head and fleshed out through other's talents. #IlluminatiConfirmed! Truth is, she's technically in a losing situation. Yes, she may not support an artist. (and there are some artists, i wouldn't support either. they have terrible service and treat you like shit even when you commission a lot of money from them.) but it's her money, and if you look at her vixen 'sona, you'd more likely want to bang her rather than bitch at the creator of the character for reposting the pic she probably spent what could have been groceries on.

MaDrow

9 years, 1 month ago

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"	laggerzback wrote:
	i'm not mocking anyone here, but I think from what you and the OP have said, you guys are clearly missing the point.

It's interesting you assume automatically that I've the same opinion of the OP.

Allow me to make clear that both camps have a point and I'm standing between them.

Just as

neitsuke

, I find it irritating to find some artwork I like but it turns out a different person made it.
While clicking on the link to get to the original post or browse through the artist's gallery to fave and save the original one, it's pretty time consuming when it's the case at dozens of artwork of a specific search or someone's gallery.
While Weasyl has a kind of solution for it (a feature called Collections), the problem on IB and SF isn't that big compared with FA. Because FA has more uploads and due that the original of the artwork could be at the next place. In contrast with IB and SF, where the original and repost is often next to each other and thus easier to find the original.

Just as several other people who reacted here, I'm reposting artwork which I commissioned, requested or got gifted. But only after getting permission for that. Also for notifying my watchers about that artwork and promoting its artist. Hell, Every person who faved art which isn't created by me get a shout from me with a thank you and a link to the artist.

As for now, I think Weasyl has the best approach to reduce that sort of duplication. However, because the site has the same "anti-cub-rule" as FA, I wish IB and/or SF will a similar feature as well.

MaDrow

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"	laggerzback wrote:
	(....) 2) Whether people think it or not, Inkbunny is a community, not just another art site. people repost art of their characters for a reason, (refs, stories, etc.)

You're wrong.
Inkbunny is a (furry) art community. Thus it is a community with art as primary focus. It isn't just a community site with profiles like FurGather. Of course you could use them vice-versa because you're able to upload yours and commissioned artwork at both of them. However, IB's original intention is to be a big bazaar with artist showing off their art.

laggerzback wrote:

Not to mention, it's safer to keep that in their gallery because there have been artists that HAVE left (becasue "ew, cub porn!") and artist that just clear their gallery for the hell of it. and it's good to safekeep that data. Not everyone can have flash drives to save the porn of their mentally spewed gay rainbow foxotterbunnies. And it's hella frustrating if you spent a lot of money and thee latter happens.

Such a thing would work till artist strongly demands to the person to remove the artwork from his/her/its gallery.

laggerzback wrote:

As for Taleir saying she posts art she commissioned for personal fame, and, your point is? So what? There are artists here that do the same thing when they art. Some artists art becasue they want to get paid they don't support their fanbase. They just want their money.

And so what? the Evil Lord Taleir's taking over the world by drawing you in with IP she's made in her head and fleshed out through other's talents. #IlluminatiConfirmed! Truth is, she's technically in a losing situation. Yes, she may not support an artist. (and there are some artists, i wouldn't support either. they have terrible service and treat you like shit even when you commission a lot of money from them.) but it's her money,

I don't like it that a person uses others as "tools" to increase their fame. And I'd like to express that in the hope that something changes. But demanding change isn't my intention. Compare it with the Indian / Paki employees in Qatar who have to work on the new soccer station for the world championship, for a salary of nothing and working in dangerous circumstances. And they can't go back home because their employee and/or Qatar's government have seized their passports. Now I'm somewhat exaggerating here but in a nutshell the same thing happens; Using people as tools.

"	laggerzback wrote:
	and if you look at her vixen 'sona, you'd more likely want to bang her rather than bitch at the creator of the character for reposting the pic she probably spent what could have been groceries on.

Ew yuck no. I'd rather to bitch then. Also why do I have to know that you like her?

CoffeeFox

9 years, 1 month ago

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you're a smart person and i love you....

KiyoshiFox

9 years, 1 month ago

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UM... its called Helping the other artist get attention o.o If I get a picture drawn I put them on my profile so that the ARTIST! can get the fame for it because you put in the description the link to the artist profile that way people that view it can say " oh nice picture I wonder who the artist is oh look a link let me go to that link and check this artist out" Boom there you go you have more people that may not have scene your work come and visit your page getting you more page views etc so I really don't see the point in this journal besides bitching for no reason :P

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I am not going to repeat myself yet again, AKA you didn't create it, you have no other reason to reupload the picture other than to sponge some of that attention. Want to help the artist ? Fav the picture, talk about it, word of mouth. Don't upload that piece of art you didn't put your hands on on a gallery that's supposed to be a place for your, own, art.
It's all about attention yet again. That view count seems to be very important to everyone. Again, thanks for showing me that I'm not making things up

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and im not going to listen to a Cry baby spat self centered arrogance because you feel some way about something when EVERY ONE ElSE! in you comments pretty much is saying the same thing I am saying You are BITCHING for no reason simply because you think a different way then others which isn't bad I don't judge you for that but when you start trying to make every one else feel bad or try to call every one else out that's when you have gone to far keep you opinions to you self if you cant act like a adult about it. You are going around in circles and its only hurting your image not ours so this is the last thing comment your getting from me because ignorant people aka

neitsuke

don't deserve attention at all. Good day to you hope you eventually learn something to day but by your comments I doubt that will happen

neitsuke

9 years, 1 month ago

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I did learn that YouTube-like comments could be possible here, but yeah overall, having a sense of morality makes people aggressive, yeah I learned a lot today

KiyoshiFox

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xRrUVVKigk

MaDrow

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Well well, you increased the level of intelligence of the debate with this.

You aren't even watching the OP of the journal. Why would you even bother about his opinion of repostings? |=(:3

KiyoshiFox

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:P

I do get his point but I don't think he honestly get everyone else's point Hence why he has to suffer the head ache of repeating him self a million times

MaDrow

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Ok, so you think making someone suffer because his opinion differs from "the rest" is a good idea?

I'm incredibly disgusted with you due that.

KiyoshiFox

9 years, 1 month ago

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Lol im not making him suffer he brought this upon himself the moment he made the journal if you read my other comment ( which you probably didn't hence why we are having this conversation) Its fine that he thinks a certain different way then other that's completely fine go for it but when you try to make others feel bad or try to make everyone else look like the villain's because you feel a certain way that's when I have a problem with it

neitsuke

9 years, 1 month ago

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So yeah as soon someone disagrees with you, you have a problem with them. You must have numerous enemies in the outside world with such a behavior like that

KiyoshiFox

9 years, 1 month ago

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Nope its when you try to make other feel like shit that I have problem for it .. SO in here is the big question to you ... Why even make the journal? what was your reason? Honestly what was your reason?

neitsuke

9 years, 1 month ago

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I can return the same question to you : Why even making a comment here ? Basically you're bitching about someone bitching, that's kind of hypocrite isn't ? So you're telling me I don't have the right to an opinion but you have the right for one about me ? very fair man, I like that behavior

KiyoshiFox

9 years, 1 month ago

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You know what I have to ask my self that same question because normally I don't say anything so you know what we both are right lets just end this conversation now and say My opinions are different then your best luck you your future endeavors Good day sir

MaDrow

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KiyoshiFox wrote:

In other words you're making him suffer because you assume other persons feel bad about or get misrepresented in his journal.

Lynching someone for his opinions to make and keep the rest happy feels very good, isn't it? [/sarcasm]

CoffeeFox

9 years, 1 month ago

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imma go message IB admins, and request a thumbs up button

KiyoshiFox

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@ CoffeeFox

lol this journal needs a two thumbs down button XD with a pile of shit emoji in the corner

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Much as I hate to address willfully ignorant trolls, you need to stuff the false sense of moral righteousness somewhere else. From a moral standpoint (ignoring that morals themselves are subjective because each individual holds a different set and they don't always align), it is equally offensive to insist that the person commissioning a piece of artwork has no rights to the content as it is to insist (as you are falsely accusing all commissioners who share the art directly) that the artist has no rights to the content. From a legal standpoint, in those countries without copyright laws, the rights to any commissioned work regardless of medium usually depends entirely upon whether the money and goods agreed upon by both sides at the time of commission have been exchanged in full. Many countries that do have copyright laws see it the same way - if a piece was commissioned, all rights to it go to the commissioner upon completion of the exchange. Very few countries, among them the United States, leave any copyright in the hands of the commissioned artist without a contract specifying such, and those which do default to an equal share of the copyright between commissioner and artist - again, unless the contract between them specifies that one or the other retain all rights.

That's not even getting into the 'morality' of attacking people simply because they themselves lack the ability or time to create artwork of a quality they enjoy for whatever reason within or beyond their personal control, or for giving permission to someone for whom they've made something to display it publicly (and you are attacking those artists, make no mistake), or for complying with such permissions or requests to display that art. It's not getting into the fact that most 'professional' galleries - whether shops or museums - hold at most three pieces from any one artist.

Yes, I agree that it's reprehensible when a commissioner fails to credit the artist if he or she shares the piece, but unlike you I recognize that it is equally reprehensible - and in some cases more so - for the artist to not credit the commissioner. Just because he or she worked on the piece in a different manner from the person who was paid should in NO way diminish that work, the effort put into imagining and designing and orchestrating the final piece, simply because one is humble enough to recognize his or her limits and the skill of another. Again make no mistake, properly and thoroughly planning a good commission is hard work, and the best commissioners and artists will even then maintain a continuing dialogue throughout the artist's own efforts.

tl;dr
You're an uneducated, selfish, self-righteous ass. Grow the fuck up.

neitsuke

9 years, 1 month ago

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I am not talking about the laws. Yeah, they have the rights to do that if they have the permission, yeah they can and have the right, yeah the chars belong to them, yeah blablabla.

Why are you guys throwing stuff that doesn't even have to do with the matter as an excuse. I'm saying, you didn't do the picture. Yeah the character is yours blablabla, you source the artist blablabla etc. Still, you, didn't, make that piece of art. I repeat, the piece of art is not made by you. Your "personal" gallery is, supposed, to be a place to share your productions, not others. That's my damn issue here. People are using "their" "own" galleries as freaking Tumblr and reblog everything as they were made by them

Claws61821

9 years, 1 month ago

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Why do you keep insulting everyone around you and your own apparent intelligence by insisting that the people who commission the pictures did no work on them whatsoever?

EDIT: You know what? I don't care anymore. You're obviously too set in your ways to honestly care about anyone else in the community, much less about improving matters for the community as a whole. You'd rather just insult and attack everyone who makes it what it is. You have some good art, and that's not a bad thing, but your personality is a whole other matter. Enjoy the massive decrease in commissions requested and granted that I'm certain will result from this journal and your replies to the comments in it.

neitsuke

9 years, 1 month ago

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I don't see any insults from me but okay.
Also, please. I don't actually draw for the money and I don't do commission. I should not be too much affected by this, don't worry

neitsuke

7 years, 11 months ago

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Just noticed that you posted

"tl;dr
You're an uneducated, selfish, self-righteous ass. Grow the fuck up."

Then one reply later

"You'd rather just insult and attack everyone who makes it what it is."

I know that's one year too late but damn man, that hypocrisis right there is hilarious.
Love you guys

Amuzoreh

9 years, 1 month ago

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So, your argument isn't the legal standpoint, right?  It's that the artists don't get any of the fame, right?

Well listen up, cuz I do mostly commissions and when a customer asks to upload it, I say "HELL YES." because I know for a fact even if the image doesn't get the rep I'd like, I myself still get the watchers. Every time a customer uploads a new image I did for them, I get a few new watchers, and those new watchers might commission something next too.

Fact of the matter is, I give permission because the ones who upload it to their profile ASK ME FIRST.  They don't just "HERP DERP I'MA REUPLOAD DIS CUZ IT'S MINE" nah.....they ask.  And when they do, it puts a smile on my face because to me, that means they loved it and I put a smile on their face, and potentially others.

No, I don't upload stuff I commissioned from others, but not for the reasons you'd think. I draw so freakin' much, and in similar styles to those I commission, that their art would be mistaken for mine or it'd just get so lost in my gallery, it'd just be a waste of my own personal time.  But if someone else does it, I say more power to them.

But hey, if you're tired of seein' it, just block the keyword "commission".

neitsuke

9 years, 1 month ago

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No, no no, but at least you're getting closer than, those other people.
Simple, I will repeat.
Your gallery here is supposed to be for your work you have done, not other's.
Here, that's about it.
I have the same feelings regarding people distributing my (sucky) pictures, I don't mind that at all, I don't care if they edit them, I don't even care if they don't source me. As long they're not pretending to be the artist or upload my pictures to "their" gallery, I am 100% fine about everything else.

Of course legally you can if the artist says it's okay, again, not the damn issue here. It's about how people do that instead of actually putting efforts on creating their own pictures, buying fame with money basically

I was just throwing my two cents in here, but it's so much common practice it makes everyone mad on the matter for obvious reasons

Amuzoreh

9 years, 1 month ago

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But see that's the thing, they DON'T claim ANY part of the picture.  In fact most of the time people jump back to my page and comment on mine or fav mine instead.  Do you know why?  Because most comments on the reuploaded image are just "Das hot" "oh bby"  and things like that, which I could honestly care less about.  Even back when I hardly had any watchers at all, this was the same view I had on it.  A gallery is the meant for showcase, and even if they're the ones showcasing it, it's being seen.  Even if you don't know it, it's being seen.

The reason you got so much hate on this is because you literally (if not inadvertedly) ripped into anyone who on here cannot draw and prefers to just commission their ideas out, and would just like to show off something they loved.  I get more publicity from reuploads than I do my own uploads, so....if I want more watchers, views, etc.....why be mad if I'm getting something out of it?  I mean, if the picture is up there twice, chances of people seeing it are higher!

If you wanna dance, you gotta learn to move with the music, man.  Numbers are a universal language, and they cannot lie, I get a LOT from others reposting the work I did for them.  And same can be said for others.  ESPECIALLY little known artists!  Imagine....your art is unknown, and suddenly a MAGICAL COMMISSIONER has appeared!  You post the work done for them, but no one cares......THEN SUDDENLY....THEY REPOST IT.....AND YOU HAVE 20+ NEW WATCHES!  You're a star!

I know it's over dramatic, but I'm tryin' to make a point.

neitsuke

9 years, 1 month ago

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That is not how it should be done. Again beside more attention and exposure, there are no reason to repost a picture a second time in another gallery. But even if I keep telling that, people "counter" with "But it gives me/the artist more exposure!" Seriously, how the fuck am I supposed to counter that ? I'm here facepalming because people are exposing themselves instead of giving actually reasons that matter, but nooooo they throw at me how the characters are theirs and etc. instead

Amuzoreh

9 years, 1 month ago

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And that's why I'm tellin' you, it DOES work like that because that's how the WORLD works.

You gotta get some publicity to do ANYTHING in this world that can make you even a single dollar.  I wouldn't be where I am today without my customers and watchers spreadin' the love around.  Your argument is it's wrong, and all we're sayin' is you're wrong because we don't see a problem with it.

You're trying to speak out and say that it's not fair to the artist, but really, it is fair, and as one of said artists, I'm tellin' you, it's FAIR!

You don't like seeing it twice, well good for you, I could stare at a picture all day, even if it's on two different galleries.  Heck, keep them both open on different tabs and flip between them!  Doesn't matter.  Every comment, every favorite, every view, is a compliment in itself, no matter where it's held.

Example; Most of my art is reposted to e621 or Rule34, yes I don't like knowing about it because people feel the need to post it back to me sometimes, but hey, I meet new people, show them my art, and already they know me! Like I said "YOU'RE A STAR!"

If you can't get this, then you're a lost cause.  Hopeless to the bitter end.  A Titanic without any Lifeboats.  And to that, I'ma bid you good-day and hope to god you figure it out someday, or just keep goin' and become that crotchety old man screamin at kids from his porch.  Either way, I'm done.  I'm out. Peace.

neitsuke

9 years, 1 month ago

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Hey you did mention places where reposting pictures are totally fine like e621 and rule34 ! You know why ? Because the pictures I upload there are not in a section "called Gallery", you know, this place where you are supposed to upload stuff you made ?

But yeah, like I said. Exposure and fame are what keep the artists alive these days, so I guess all of that is necessary overall. Oh and also the money thrown in, of course.

PS : Getting a favorite/comment when you did 0 whoring feels even better, trust me on that.

Cheers for now

Claws61821

9 years, 1 month ago

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Technically, in most countries, they do have the legal right to display it regardless of what you say. The fact they ask is simply them being polite.

Amuzoreh

9 years, 1 month ago

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