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FlyingFox

Whats up with the popular board?

Seriously all I see on it atm is crappy cub drawings that looks like it been done with crayon. theres a  scrap gallery for a reason, stop posting your sketchtastic crap drawings in your main gallery, your clogging up the popular board with it, those spots could have been taken by better less known artist that deserve the attention :(

Another thing I find annoying is making cub porn for the sake of it being cub, despite you being able to draw or not, now I know im not the best around here and my drawings tends to swing towards being good then horrendus but I usually dont post a picture in my main gallery unless it got at least colour or is inked.

Rant over. (and if I offend anyone with this, then you know your doing it wrong)

*EDIT*

I submitted a Ticket to the staff linking to this journal and put some of the suggestions for the popular section in.

*EDIT 2*

This journal sound more provocative than it should I now realize, please refer to the comments for the actual meaning.
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Added: 7 years ago
 
fluffdance
7 years ago
Whee, artist elitism!  <unwatch>
FlyingFox
7 years ago
Seriously? lol
Takahn
7 years ago
" fluffdance wrote:
Whee, artist elitism!  <unwatch>


I'm not sure it has anything to do with elitism and more along the lines of this is a child's drawing, why is this popular and why oh why is this not in scraps? At least be a little objective and honest with yourself when posting. Or perhaps keep that entire comic restricted to one submission with multiple pictures.
Shokuji
7 years ago
The problem is that users don't understand how the feature works (even though there is a wiki) so they just don't use it. =/
Takahn
7 years ago
I .. I am okay with this journal.

Massive respect to people drawing a lot and improving, but for gods sake, the pictures in the popular section right now are just ... why, why are they even popular? My word!
thekzx
7 years ago
It was my fault and I do apologize for that. Won't happen again.
Takahn
7 years ago
Don't worry too much about it, but please do consider putting them into a single submission next time. Beyond that, keep on drawing mate. :)
thekzx
7 years ago
I know I know, but I've said to people before that when I do that, people dont see the other submissions and they think it's just one submission and they complain; also, individual comments for each page are something I'd be missing big time.

I'd like the system to somewhat be changed so the other submissions would be more obvious; this would erase my entire issue with it. I've just been lazy to submit a ticket (is that it?) for a suggestion or whatever, and I'm sorry.
MichaelJBear
7 years ago
Dont blame yourself li'l guy... I also posted like 100 picture sketches in one week and it's all in my scraps... your also a beginner like me and your learning your skills... Dont blame yourself because you wanted to share you art with ohers... ok... and the word says by itself.... if your sketch ended in the ''popular'' section it's says all by itself... because they're popular ok be pround of it... you achieve something there that I havent reach yet... *hug you*
MichaelJBear
7 years ago
It's your art... feel free to do what you want to do with it
Thanatos
7 years ago
;.; But Roarey sketches are soo cute!
FlyingFox
7 years ago
Too each their own, but I still think sketches belong in the scrap gallery.
frostcat
7 years ago
I don't think it's about Roarey :P
RaynetheJester
7 years ago
I have to agree. I see many great artists on here with barely any views or watches. It baffles me cause some of them have so much talent.
frostcat
7 years ago
Although the sleepover comic is cute, you do have a point about the pics being all over the popular board.  And I believe that it's the whole (CUB) on the thumbnail that throws everyone off too.  Hopefully he/she can make them into one submission to avoid the clutter.
FlyingFox
7 years ago
Well Its not just that comic I wont point fingers, that would make me elitist FLUFFDANCE its in general I see it, It just kinda went haywire and I felt like ranting about it.
samsondrave
7 years ago
Ah, you must be talking about Tylerdavasel's/TheKZX's drawings.
FlyingFox
7 years ago
Its meant to everybody in general.
samsondrave
7 years ago
Ah, I just figured his gallery was what you were talking about because his works took up half of the Popular section the last I loaded the homepage up.
Tycloud
7 years ago
Im not sure i agree with this journal yet.  Maybe time will tell.
Zeikcied
7 years ago
Scraps still show up in the Popular section...
FlyingFox
7 years ago
I know... and I think they shouldnt but at least they wont be showing in the new section and has a less likely chance of showing up in the popular section. I really wish scraps would be kept out of popular.
thekzx
7 years ago
This I agree with. Scraps show up in Popular? I had no idea
GreenReaper
7 years ago
It's "popular", not "clean and tidy".
FlynnRausch
7 years ago
The popular section should have a limit of say 3-5 submissions per artist so that someone, regardless of how good they are, doesn't completely dominate the section if they upload a whole ream of their work. It's not fair to anyone to be pushed off the popular page by another contributor just because of the volume of someone else's work.
FlyingFox
7 years ago
Thats a really good solution actually, too bad im not a mod :P
Shokuji
7 years ago
Anyone can always send a support ticket with ideas to the staff. =3 They do listen. ^_^
KhellSennet
7 years ago
I actually side with FlyingFox on this.  Regardless of how good or bad an artist is, there is a line where one must say that their work is incomplete, and belongs in sketches.  To me, it's not whether or not it's colored, but whether or not it has been cleaned up.  Monochrome is fine, and for those who never color their work it's unfair to say they must always only post them in the sketches folder, but if you can't take the time to touch it up digitally, erase the lined-paper markings, then it does belong in sketches.

And one part of the journal it seems everyone is forgetting - crapflooding.  It's not just a complaint about one or two pictures showing up in the "popular" section, it's about the entire popular section being flooded with one or two peoples' art.  The best solution here would be some coding to limit any refresh of the "popular" section to only show one or two of any person's art.  No one person should have more than that showing at any given time, or everyone else's work gets buried because they didn't mass-upload their stuff.
FlyingFox
7 years ago
yeah monochrome is fine, some of the best artwork I ever saw were monochrome.
DewBunny
7 years ago
Amen to this. I think I know who you're referring to as far as that goes. And as far as artists elitism the guy is full of crap. No one likes seeing crayon crap be voted most popular.
FlyingFox
7 years ago
I am not talking about any specific artist, I just dont want to see the popular board turn into the doodle board.
thekzx
7 years ago
That was me and I'm very sorry about that. I won't be doing that again.
FlyingFox
7 years ago
again im not talking about you, its in general. Btw there is a function that allow you to put addional pictures under one submission, that way you can have an entire comic under one submission, it will also make it alot easier to navigate.
thekzx
7 years ago
No, no, that huge flood WAS me, totally, but I know what you're talking about (floods at least)

And about the multisubmission thing: I know I know, but I've said to people before that when I do that, people dont see the other submissions and they think it's just one submission and they complain; also, individual comments for each page are something I'd be missing big time.

I'd like the system to somewhat be changed so the other submissions would be more obvious; this would erase my entire issue with it. I've just been lazy to submit a ticket (is that it?) for a suggestion or whatever, and I'm sorry.
DewBunny
7 years ago
Dude I know you've flooded but still there are far, far worse drawings going up than yours. I literally have seen some crayon and marker drawings that just sucked so bad it looked like I had taken a drawing from a kid of a pikachu and scribbled genitals on it. Worse yet people go to gawk at it and it gets most viewed. Or the tags are wrong and it's mistakenly clicked.
Shokuji
7 years ago
Don't forget you can always "Block Submissions" of a specific user if they're annoying or whatever. That way you just won't see them and they won't bother you. =3
FlyingFox
7 years ago
But I dont hate people, it would be unfair to me and him if I have to blacklist users, besides you completely missed the point. Ishoka got the point tho :P
Shokuji
7 years ago
I did get your point, but I think there are more tactful ways rather than openly rip on them just to make a point. That's why I responded how I did, no artist needed to be made an example of just to make a point. You wouldn't like it either if someone openly dissed on your art either. The best thing to do is just suggest a better way of doing things, which you did. =)
InsecureFlaky
7 years ago
I support Shokuji's Idea

Instead of Directly or undirectly attacking those who post non color or just "wips" in heir main gallery, because they still have the right to do it

Just black list them and Voila
Ishoka
7 years ago
Maybe just a small check box on the upload page you can check that labels an image as a sketch/wip/incomplete that'll exempt it from the popular section.So someone can upload what they please to their main gallery, but not flood the popular thing with incomplete doodles that shouldn't really be there. Sucks to see some good art on there disappear only to be replaced by chicken scratches. Not trying to say the art may be bad, its just things that someone spent 10 minutes on doodling on some lined binder paper shouldn't be booting works that people spent hours or days working on off that popular section. I'd hate to have any little crappy doodle I upload end up doing that to someone else's hard work.
FlyingFox
7 years ago
alot of good ideas to fix this :3 I might submit on of those tickets to the staff with the suggestions.
starlyte
7 years ago
Hmm I do agree in a sense there with ya FF, and while yes artists do have right to upload thier work whereever they choose there should be a limit per artist in popular. Maybe change the popular section from posts to artists or have two like that. Though on the mass upload I do admit I check my subs once a day and when I come back the next and have like 30 subs suddenly I'm like wtf? Maybe a universal upload limit thing where if you post over like 10 things at once it automatically just put into a pool and just put out a sub notice for the pool being updated or posted.
thejim700
7 years ago
Sketches do mainly belong in the scraps gallery, but if a sketch is good enough i think you should be able to post it in your main gallery.
ToddRiverden
7 years ago
I hate to say it, But your post DOES kind of come across as being a bit snobbish. I'm sure that wasn't your intention but Honestly, What people find popular isn't always what you or I will see as being popular.

"stop posting your sketchtastic crap drawings in your main gallery, your clogging up the popular board with it, those spots could have been taken by better less known artist that deserve the attention :( "  

You can see how someone would find this statement as being snobbish. Your deciding what SHOULD be there when you kind of don't have a right to. Again, I don't know if that's what you ment but that's how you come across. I think Fluffdance was wrong to post that comment but I can see how he might have felt.

Please don't get me wrong. I like your artwork. But honestly, Live and let live. If lesser known people put there stuff up and people like it, It will be popular. If someone posts lesser quality images in your eyes and they end up on the popular board, well then don't look that them.

In short, No artest should be put down for what they draw. Better to encourage them or ignore them. Just my 2 cents.

Todd.
FlyingFox
7 years ago
If I had been a nonartist and just a favorite user, would it still have been snobish? Just because I can draw to some extent doesnt exclude me from ranting. and its not about new artists posting their stuff, its about 10 min doodles ending up in the popular section. I do know my journal sounded rather harsh, that was the intention, but I dont feel I deserve to be called elitist because of it just because I know how to make contact with pen to paper.
RedPandaRolo
7 years ago
because that would be a classic case of site elitism. Only putting the "good" artists in the popular section while everyone else gets push to the back, and never seen, that's the kind of thing that makes just-starting and learning artists never want to draw anymore and never get better at it.
Tweaker
7 years ago
I'm sort of confused. These images are in popular section because people like them, view them and (presumably) favorite them, right? If their reaction speaks for themselves and they attract attention on their own merits, what exactly is the problem? Obviously those people don't care that the images are sketches; if you don't like the images in question, you're free to either ignore them or add their contents to your blacklist.

To be fair, I don't actually know how the popular section's contents are determined. This seems like a total non-issue, though.
FlyingFox
7 years ago
some of the pictures in the popular section have only gotten hits because they have the cub tag on them, and people seem to hunger for it.
Tweaker
7 years ago
People are going to like what they like and draw what they draw. It's not something you can control. If you're really getting on peoples' asses for having preferences towards certain types of art, I think you're barking up the wrong tree on the wrong website. Inkbunny is one of the few places that kind of art is actually allowed, so don't be surprised when you see it pop up and it actually has an audience.

Again, I reiterate--if seeing the art pop up bothers you, you can add the cub tag to your blacklist. You'll never see it again, I promise. If that isn't the actual issue and you just don't like that people have tastes that conflict with your own, then that's your problem. I severely doubt you'll see the administration here bend over backwards to accommodate that.
FlyingFox
7 years ago
and your missing the point, I have nothing against cub. What im bitching about is ammount of sketches in the popular section. im not trying to control what they are drawing either, just the ammount of space they take up in the popular section.
Tweaker
7 years ago
All art, regardless of the status of completion, is listed in that section based on how much attention it receives from the site's userbase.

People apparently like sketches just as much as they like finished pieces. That's the verdict. You may not like that, but it doesn't make their creative expression--nor the resulting response to it--any less valid. I don't see why they deserve any less attention because of that.
Tuney
7 years ago
I'm somewhat with agreement with you and what others said. There should be somewhat of a limit to number of pictures a single person can have in that section. I normaly just look at the 'popular' tab and rarly bother scanning though the 'new section' of people I don't watch.

I also somewhat wish , when a 'mass upload' happens and all the pictures are related to one another that they would use that one function on here... What It is called I don't know right now hehe.

There was probbly more but I got distracted and forgot hehe
Bookie
7 years ago
I agree to some degree, I also dislike when people put 'OMG CUB" on the thumb nail.. like adding 'OMG' is really goinmg to make it less deviant than it already is :S
thekzx
7 years ago
No, it's so that people know what it is and it doesn't offend people who aren't into cub. The 'OMG' is just a little humor. Sorry to be an annoyance.
BunnyFoxglove
7 years ago
"Popular

Top 100 uploads from the last 3 days in random order"

It doesn't matter if they flood the recent or not, if they're not popular they wont end up in that category.
You're honestly just bitching because you don't like the art, not because the system is flawed. The art wouldn't end up there if it wasn't popular with others. I respect the comics drawn by them that are not exactly top quality, because they're just fun comics they did in their spare time. It doesn't always have to be about top caliber work to be worth looking at. I wouldn't commission a piece like that, but there's nothing wrong with enjoying it for what it is.
MaverickSkye
7 years ago
I'm just gonna throw it out there and say HOT BUTTON.

I dunno, though. Yeah, it's true that what's popular can get annoying when it's plenty of the same stuff, but hey, what's liked is what's liked, and it only lasts for a couple days and then moves on to the next.  No need to make a deal about it. If you really wanna find some good stuff, and discover stuff and folks, best idea in that is to just use Search. Can't really help what's popular b ecause it just is what it is.

Yeah, making a suggestion about fixing the system is the best idea.
thekzx
7 years ago
I won't do it again. Sorry to have cause that n__n
Flygon
7 years ago
I'd say "I admit it, I'm shit", but I don't ever end up there anyway. :p
Arcturus
7 years ago
Well, you can fuck right off.

-watch
FlyingFox
7 years ago
real mature, please read the entire journal with responses.
Arcturus
7 years ago
I did.
FlyingFox
7 years ago
In that case your missing the point, also if you -watch people for their opinion on things, you werent really interested in the art in the first place.
I admit the journal got a provocative tone, but I doubt it would have gotten much attention if I had been all polite and shit.
And my point is: Use scraps for sketches, My cub porn statement still stands, I see alot  of undeveloped cub porn drawings with ALOT of errors. (all polite there see?)
Arcturus
7 years ago
Maybe I liked the art, but I don't care for your opinion, so I don't want to see your art either.

And maybe everyone isn't a great artist, or maybe someone prefers to just draw sketches. This is a big community website, not your own personal blog or whatever.
FlyingFox
7 years ago
actually this journal is my own, and what I write here is what I feel.
You think im bashing new artists or artists thats not so great, im not. I see something that annoys me and I rant about it. My personal opinion is that sketches belong in scraps thats why they are called sketches. sketches are an incomplete stage you draw in order to take it to the next step, or use as a means to increase your skill without making big pictures. But why are im even trying to discuss with you, you dont care for any opinion than your own and would rather insult those with another opinion than yourself.
Tycloud
7 years ago
Can't we all just get along?
supremekitten
7 years ago
Answer, you need to post more or something. The popular section works in a very simple way, at least according to what I observed. Everything lands in popular section once it reaches about 100-200 views.
(I guess it's the specific number (100?) of the most viewed submissions from the last 3 days (usually about 100-200 views seems enough); no special magic here)
melfluff
7 years ago
This is my observation,

As I understand what you were saying I believe part of the backlash that you have recieved comes from the fact that you chose to rant about it. Pehaps it may be better to point it out as an observation and ask for others thoughts creating a more open discussion rather then a flame war.

It is my experience that making a rant journal does nothing but give others the wrong impression. The best way I have seen change happen is when serious discussions are made on the subject in question.

If you look at how the popular section works it posts randomly from the most popular images of the last two weeks. However you can actually click into the popular section and narrow down the results to images that you find relevent. If I were to suggest something I would say it would be nice to be able to be able to change these settings in your user profile so that you can adjust the popular section to only show the tags that are of interest to you so you don't have to manualy do it each time.
MichaelJBear
7 years ago
Well I rarely talk in journal because my english is not so good... But I gonna because maybe I'm a bit responsible...  I've posted like 30 and more sketches in 2 days and I wasn't having choice... I work during the day and I dont have the time to color my picture and I'm still learning my skills... Hey it's they only way for me to be known a li'l by others you know... and thekzx is blaiming himself for nothing and beginner need our encouragement and good advices... sometime it's tough to put our art (sketch) knowing that we might be pass to the flamethrower because we make a bundle of mistake... one question FlyingFox... how does beginner like this li'l guy and me do to show our art and by the way have some good advice from others without ''bugging'' you... Because I also put my sketches in scraps... Remember my friend you were also a beginner...
FlyingFox
7 years ago
if you put your sketches in scraps I see no Problem whatsoever. Im not some elitist bastard that think beginner art should be purged, I try to encourage people to draw more so as they may end up producing quality art that everyone will appreciate. Thekzx is indeed blaming himself for nothing, my journal wasent aimed at him specificially.
RyuuKishi
7 years ago
Humm i don't mind scribbles in the popular board. I like scribbles very much though :)
Btw scraps also show up there even if added to scraps.
It shows popular stuff ;P

Yush not easy to please everyone.

You could curl up all things mentioned here and file a support ticket, it surely will be added to the huuge list of "todos" xD

Would be a waste if that rant was just as a valve with no real outcome.
FlyingFox
7 years ago
I already submitted a ticket, with a link to the journal and a short note mentioning the best ideas.
RyuuKishi
7 years ago
Cool :]
RedReynart
7 years ago
I see what you are saying..

From my own opinion, I think that all sketches should be placed in the scraps for they are all work in progress's. That being said inked pictures that are awaiting coloring should be too. Unless the picture is going to remain inked and no more done.

Here are the exceptions, not every artist is a digital artist and as such not everyone is going to ink their drawings.
MizzyAm is a perfect example of a Traditional artist that draws with pencils. It would look horrible if she/he decided to ink them with pens because of the artistic style..

Mizzy just got into digital, If Mizzy sketched digitally then put it in scaps if it was clean and "inked" in terms of digital then you can put it in either depending if it will be colored and if it is colored then move the inked into scaps if it was in the main gallery.

Other artist who are traditional only draw with certain  ways and looks like sketches.. There is nothing anyone can do for your main or scaps there all going to look the same and that is where we can see some leeway there..

The popular section shouln't be "what's new" but "Most hits, veiws" Am I right? So I don't see anythign wrong with crappy sketches having alot of hits, if a sketch is what you like, but I do say if it is still a wip then place that in your own scraps and perhaps it will keep it off the popular page.. But some sketches can be quite good or artistic depending on the artist.. So I really don't know how to call this one. As I allready made some valid key points.
Manafox
7 years ago
Maybe a higher view threshold would do the trick for the Popular section? Most people complaining about it are doing so because of the cubs, so this is a nice change of pace to be honest.

But really, the stuff is there for a reason; it's popular according to recent userbase traffic.

I'm quite interested to see what changes might be made to the way the system works.
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