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supremekitten

School life comedy anime about boys

It doesn't exist.
While there are a few rare reversed harems, geared very strongly towards yaoi/shounen-ai fangirls, a "school life" comedy anime about boys doesn't exist.
There is simply no such genre, both shounen and shoujo "school life" anime only have girl casts.

If you think it can't exist for some reason, I pose this question:
If a school life comedy with a full-boy cast would exist,
(now, scratch the idea of sports anime about boys, erase the idea that boys are boring and not cute, visualize this:)
Wouldn't you watch anime about cute funny boys in school doing funny things, if there was one?
I don't think it would be any less interesting than one about girls
but it just doesn't exist anyway

Now, my ideas about why this sad truth exists:
1. I'd say it's mostly a case of harrus potterus fanfictionitis (everyone does it this way so the artists don't even think about there being any possible alternatives; also following the crowd and doing what seems popular)
2. Assecuration - companies assume such anime has to be about girls, because there were no popular ones (or any) about boys in the past (yet).

Conclusion:
I want one school anime about young cute boys doing cute and funny things, where girls are secondary or completely redundant characters, and the story focuses purely on the boys
Conclusion2:
If conclusion one is impossible, let's try something less radical, a school life comedy where at least half of the cast (including the main characters) is boys, and the girls aren't' portrayed as more important/better than the boys.

Warning:
If it's a reverse harem then the main characters ends being a girl, and it doesn't count.
If it's a shounen anime about fighting, it doesn't count, because that is a genre different than a school life comedy.

Discuss?
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Added: 7 years, 4 months ago
 
Thanatos
7 years, 4 months ago
I would say Ouran High School Host Club facilitates that 2/3rds in anime. 3/4s in manga
supremekitten
7 years, 4 months ago
Ouran is a reversed harem, just like fruit basket; the main character in both is a girl
Thanatos
7 years, 4 months ago
Believe me, I want the same thing.  But junjou romantica and sekai-ichi hatsukoi are still pretty damned good.  Have you considered the fact that Naruto IS shounen-ai?
supremekitten
7 years, 4 months ago
naruto is a shounen about fighting, did you read my journal at all XD? I especially pointed no reversed harems and no shounen about fighting. If you want a reverted shounen fighting anime, I'd say you would get magical girls.
I'm not asking for that, I'm asking for a reversed school life comedy.
And in case you would give me this one, Loveless also doesn't count, it's not a reversed school life comedy, it's not a comedy, and it's not school life. It's more or less a erotic-heavy shounen-ai with strong seme-uke relationships (and that's not the same!)
Thanatos
7 years, 4 months ago
I did read it, i was just pointing out that Naruto is indeed a shounen-ai genre anime.
supremekitten
7 years, 4 months ago
I wasn't asking for shounen-ai. As for naruto being shounen-ai, i think that's a stretch. Although to me naruto, if anything, is chaos full of ass-pulling and plot holes and spotlight stealing squads (and I stopped reading/watching it long ago) :<
On a side-note, I'd say most shounen fighting anime have some shounen-ai undertones, at least between rivals. (But I don't think that makes them shounen-ai anime)
Thanatos
7 years, 4 months ago
I saw this because the creator is gay, naruto is based on him, and sasuke is based on a boy he liked in middle school. He intends to wrap up the show with them together.  The entire show is the developement of a relationship between two boys.
supremekitten
7 years, 4 months ago
At this point he could ship naruto with a random rock and I'd still not consider it canon, to me naruto plot and canon died long ago. And given that I stopped reading/watching it, I'm sorry to say that I don't really care what unrequited love Kishimaro had in his school days. Also, thanks for giving me one more good reason to hate the show, author-self-insertion. I'll have to remember this one.
Kerocat
7 years, 4 months ago
The only anime I know which fits at least a little to school life comedy about boys

would be "Here's Greenwood"

http://www.animenfo.com/animetitle,205,cdmghg,koko_wa_...
supremekitten
7 years, 4 months ago
Somewhat curious, I may check it out later.
Aogami
7 years, 4 months ago
Greenwood was done by one of my favorite artists, Kouga Yun but ... back when her style sucked xD haha I really don't like Greenwood at all. Her later work with Loveless is much better, but it's not really a school anime since it's more focused on the love/shounen-ai aspect. It's also got a secondary fighting-anime plot to it, but it's really more of a relationship anime. The manga has more comedy and school-life stuff though.

Sukisyo is an all-boys shounen-ai school drama/comedy anime but it's not very well written or drawn. I finished it but I was mostly underwhelmed xD

Gakuen Heaven looks promising and very similar to what you described as wanting, though it appears to be more romance than comedy.

Angel's Feather seems to be similar athough I read a few scathing reviews of it which deride it for having an all-male cast who  are all gay. Sukisyo also has this problem haha.
supremekitten
7 years, 4 months ago
Thanks for the recommendations, I'll try to check them all even if they aren't what I described.
Loveless wasn't bad, It's just a different type of anime/manga altogether
supremekitten
7 years, 4 months ago
I took a glance on them but it seems all those anime are boy-love rather than something like a school life comedy. As a matter of fact Angel's Feather is even based on a yaoi eroge, and Gakuen Heaven is full pretty adult-looking bishounen (and smells of yaoi romance XD).
Aogami
7 years, 4 months ago
I don't think it really exists ^^; Comedy almost always has some type of romance angle, and if you get rid of all the girls it's got to be a boy-love story. The problem is that BL stories tend to overpower the rest of the plot because they're so focused on that romance.

I think part of the problem is that in school girls are okay with being single but for boys school is all about trying to get a girlfriend xD
supremekitten
7 years, 4 months ago
" I don't think it really exists ^^; Comedy almost always has some type of romance angle, and if you get rid of all the girls it's got to be a boy-love story. The problem is that BL stories tend to overpower the rest of the plot because they're so focused on that romance.

The problem with this comparison is (disregarding that boy love is a very small genre) that while anime about a group of girls does often include some etchi or yuri undertones, it is generally played for humor and rarely portrayed as serious, and usually lacks any romance. At best you will get some innuendos.  But boy-love is generally about romancing and often taken pretty serious, even entering drama, hence it's a different genre and hardly "innocent". As we seem to conclude the same, there is no boy equivalent of said girl anime.

" I think part of the problem is that in school girls are okay with being single but for boys school is all about trying to get a girlfriend xD

I think the problem is that such a stupid but debatably untrue stereotype is so prominent in fiction. Often going as far as to say that boys only think about boobs and panties, and girls only think about sweets and fashion and some platonic love interest(like an actor or something).
It certainly was not the case in any of my schools. Only some boys think about girls in this way, and usually it goes away pretty fast as they become more serious about life. Similarly lots of girls in that age think a lot about boys, it goes both ways really. For one the age of both sexual maturity and sexual initiation is generally lower for girls than boys, and girls begin relationships with boys at a younger age. There are 13 year old girls who change boyfriends every month or week, and some do engage in sexual activities with said boyfriends. If girls wouldn't be interested in boys then clearly that wouldn't be the case.
On the other hand a lot of 13 year old boys are still sexually immature and don't think about things like girls. (because girls become sexually mature earlier than boys, which I assume you know)
But I concur, maybe in your schools it wasn't like that and girls were completely uninterested in boys. I wouldn't know. (but even in American school sitcoms, girls think plenty about boys, even going as far as using their boyfriends in some jealousy contests between each other)
Aogami
7 years, 4 months ago
I think for the first point you mentioned you're just mostly restating what I said and I can conclude that we essentially agree here.

For the second bit you have to consider that we are talking about fiction writing and not real life. What makes a good story, and what type of story are you looking for? When writing stories about girls in romance you have three options: one - the girl is some sort of slut. Porn. Two - it's a serious portrayal of a relationship which is intended to show all the complexities and complications which that implies which let's face it are often more serious for girls than boys because they could result in pregnancy. Three - a light comedy where the sexual tension is only used as comedic fodder and the characters never get together.

For stories about boys, you'll find that these genres often overlap and merge a lot more often so sex almost inevitably enters the equation and deflates all the comedy turning it into drama (See: Gravitation)
supremekitten
7 years, 4 months ago
" For the second bit you have to consider that we are talking about fiction writing and not real life. What makes a good story, and what type of story are you looking for?

A well executed plot and believable characters who aren't pure archetypes and stereotypes ; p, amongst other things.

" When writing stories about girls in romance you have three options

this seems to assume that all stories about a group of girls have to include romance, I disagree, a comedy about 4 girls doesn't have to include romance at all. It can simply be a comedy. And intimacy doesn't equal romance, be it boys or girls. (Although there is this stupid stereotype going on about how boys can't be intimate without being gay, which is probably one of the reasons for all this mess)

" For stories about boys, you'll find that these genres often overlap and merge a lot more often so sex almost inevitably enters the equation and deflates all the comedy turning it into drama (See: Gravitation)

Oh, I don't argue that this happens a lot in fiction, I do argue that this isn't good, and that I want more innocent boy friendship. And cute comedy without all this stuff.
Aogami
7 years, 4 months ago
OMFG how could I have not said this before. Hahaha ... have you seen Cromartie High School? I ... well ... it's hardly cute, but it's about an all boys' school with zero romance and it's not a fighting anime (although there is a lot of comedic violence). In fact they make a lot of jokes about how all the characters look like they're in their thirties when the whole cast is supposed to be sixteen, but I think it's about as close as you're going to get xD
supremekitten
7 years, 4 months ago
Yeah, now that you mentioned it I remember this one. It was very funny X3 Ridiculous but funny and original.
Aogami
7 years, 4 months ago
Also to respond to what you said before. Yes, you have shows like Azumanga Daioh and Lucky Star which are cute comedies about girls, but if you picture a similar show but with boys the problem is that from a writer's perspective there is no reason to make the characters male. I'm all for gender equality don't get me wrong, but there are reasons why writers choose male or female for a given role in a story. It affects tone, and it has a huge impact on target audience - who the show is marketing towards. It's no secret that shows like you're describing are unabashedly targeted towards girls, mostly because it's a female audience who LIKES that kind of show. Granted that's a generality and not always true (I like them too and I'm male), but pandering towards a majority is in the best interest of a series' survival. Making the main characters in a female targeted show female is a cheap and easy way to earn instant points towards identifying with your majority audience.
supremekitten
7 years, 4 months ago
"from a writer's perspective there is no reason to make the characters male"
how about having a complex more interesting plot, make them a gender mix. sounds like a pretty good reason to me. the authors just make the cast fully female for the sake of primitive otaku, often putting the girls in needlessly naked situations. Manga tends to be better than anime, because you know what the large studios think about the audience? they think the audience is stupid and only wants the cheapest entertainment (sadly they are to some degree right)
Doesn't have to stop me from complaining about it.

I hate to burst your bubble but most people who watch those shows are almost certainly male, and they are shows for male audience. As a matter of fact Lucky star is a show for manga otaku (who are mostly male; the main character who is a a gaming addict and a girl, is like a perfect wish fulfillment for a male otaku, lol, not to mention the loli/incest undertones). Those shows have a full female cast not because they are for girls, but because they are for guys. (Although that doesn't mean girls can't enjoy them)
To be fair all those shows are sort of for mixed audience, as the creators try to stuff both things for girls and for boys inside those shows. To compare, most of the shounen-ai/yaoi shows are made for purely female audience.
Magical girl shows are also a mix. While most magical girls are made with purely female viewers in mind, there are a couple with various degree of male audience in mind. You can usually tell by the amount of nakedness and boobs ; p and various other elements.
Aogami
7 years, 3 months ago
Haha ~ so. Puella Magi Madoka Magica - directed towards girls or boys more? Filled with fashion and hot Barbie pink, with tons of violence and fanservice. YOU DECIDE :P
supremekitten
7 years, 3 months ago
I don't think Madoka is directed towards some specific gender, at all. Madoka is a reconstruction of magical girls anime, and an overall rather original experience (although I also think it's a bit overrated and infested with fanboys ; p), with a large focus on "artiness" sometimes above logic.
Nonetheless, as a reconstruction of genre, Madoka would be directed towards fans of the genre in general rather than a specific gender of people.
I do think Madoka suffers from some problems thanks to the artsy execution.
Also I'm not fond of bad endings in general, and I see the ending of Madoka as bad.
Incidentally my favorite character still has to be Kyubey
Aogami
7 years, 3 months ago
Oh heheh I liked Homura the best. :P I don't know if the ending was BAD so much as a bit of a cop out considering the epic scale of the twist which was IMO executed brilliantly. The multimedia art style was an interesting experiment if not 100% successful, but the witches could have used more humanish qualities at least.

If the show is directed at fans of the magical girl genre then its clearly for girls, but I think the show actually has a lot to offer a male audience.
supremekitten
7 years, 3 months ago
Not really for girls. If it would be directed for girl fans then it would be for girls. Alas it is for fans in general. Another thing to consider, I think guys would be more interested in reconstruction of a usually girl genre, and vice versa, girls would be more interested in reconstruction of a usually boy genre.
I really like the alien but logical way of thinking which Kyubey has. The ending was bad in the sense that the main character more or less died. To me that's pretty bad.
Aogami
7 years, 3 months ago
I judge the quality of an ending by how satisfying it is and how much sense it makes. I think they wrapped up the time travel plot quite well, but the ending to the series itself was kind of meh. Chrno Crusade's ending was very sad but very satisfying so I don't really count it as bad though
supremekitten
7 years, 3 months ago
Saikano ending was in a way very bad but I found it very satisfying.
Madoka ending wasn't satisfying at all to me.
Aogami
7 years, 3 months ago
Well, one thing I can say for Puella Magi's ending is that at first it looks like it's going to be one of those ... big-bad is defeated, magical girl uses god like power to set everything right again endings. But really it doesn't change much, the bad shit just takes on a different form, the girls still die, it's just slightly different format now. It isn't like she creates some paradise world or anything, she sacrifices her life and her entire conscious existence to an eternal hell of infinite loneliness and despair in exchange for what winds up being a mostly insignificant change to the laws of reality.
supremekitten
7 years, 3 months ago
Sorry for this mini-rant

The whole thing felt sort of pointless to me, pretty much everything Homura did was pointless (she spent timeline after timeline trying to save madoka, she completely failed; madoka "saving" world bullshit doesn't change this; what was Homura fighting for? fail end), and all the time Madoka spent resisting was also pointless, what was it for? just so she can think of some better wish? bullshit, the wish obviously wasn't all that great anyway, and what's all that bullshit about "being god" and being able to do "everything", blagh. And in the end the sacrifice was also sort of pointless. I felt like the creators are preaching to me.

But mostly, I don't find sacrifices like that satisfying. I hate when the main character sacrifices self and dies, and even better, gets erased (erased why? bullshit magical deus ex machina mumbo-jumbo, I say fuck you authors)

The whole thing ended feeling sort of pointless, and also the character's were not all that well made to begin with, so their death was sort of meh. Some characters comming back to life some not, inconsistency.

That ending didn't satisfy me at all.
I also wasn't really sold at this reversing entropy idea. The anime didn't explain how it is that Homura FREAKING MANIPULATING TIME doesn't go against any proper principles of entropy. And I do believe she does, which already weakens my suspension of disbelief, no matter what sort of explanation the fans may come up with.

With so weakened internal rules, with Kyubey repetitively saying madoka can have powers of god and can rewrite the whole universe to her whim, I completely refuse to be satisfied with the ending which we were given.

Want a satisfying ending? You take a protagonist who is a determinator, goes against all odds, then given two bad choices creates a third choice, breaks all limits, and saves everyone including self. And everyone is living happily ever after, even if the world is in ruins.
Madoka was like, characters fail at accomplishing anything they desired, and I do not find that satisfying. I do not like tragedy. What about madoka's family, what about madoka's friends? they are supposed to be happy with madoka erased? bullshit, and pointless because madoka being erased in a magical deus ex machina with only purpose to make the whole thing "artsy sad"
It wasn't just dissatisfying, it was highly dissatisfying and pointless on top (although it was sort of expected)

But then, it's really easy to tick me off when it comes to art, I have a lot of different triggers.
Aogami
7 years, 3 months ago
As for entropy, it's stated within the show itself that the girls are able to defy the laws of entropy which is why they are being used as an energy source so I don't find it that unbelievable that Homura would be able to accomplish what she did contrary to the rules of entropy with her powers.

The ending wasn't very satisfying, but the twist was and honestly the ending wasn't what made the show entertaining for me. It was an interesting take on the overplayed magical girl genre which made me curious enough about the universe to debate and ask questions about it. It's one of those interesting universes that makes you want to make your own character in it like ... ohhh if I wished for THIS, what power would I get? You know? Haha
supremekitten
7 years, 3 months ago
" As for entropy, it's stated within the show itself that the girls are able to defy the laws of entropy which is why they are being used as an energy source so I don't find it that unbelievable that Homura would be able to accomplish what she did contrary to the rules of entropy with her powers.


Reversing time in my scientific dictionary equals reversing the entropy of the whole universe. This is my exact problem with it. If Homura can pretty much manipulate time itself, then Madoka is pointless, or the science is painfully broken. Kyubey wants to reverse the entropy, but Homura is already reversing the entropy, so it makes no scientific sense the way it is portrayed. Of course not everyone will share this view of mine.

I also didn't find this show particularly surprising, shocking, or engaging. I'd go as far as to say that while deconstructing the genre the show itself still managed to be pretty predictable and cliche.
Although I did find Kyubey to be a pretty interesting and fun character.
supremekitten
7 years, 3 months ago
And even with all that I said, I wouldn't say it was a bad show, it was overall a decent show, even if not entirely my taste.
Aogami
7 years, 3 months ago
You are debating physics in a show where the wishes of little girls doing the impossible and changing the laws of existence is an accepted reality. Isn't that the whole point of the wishes in the first place? Doing the impossible?

Personally, my theory as to how the whole thing works is that the magnitude of a girl's wish is related to her power as a magi. What's her face the blue one made a stupid, inconsequential wish and so she became a weak magi. Mami's wish was even MORE inconsequential so she was an even weaker magi.  The red one made a pretty powerful wish that influenced loads of people so she was pretty powerful. Homura's wish changed the entire world, and she got powers comparable to that. Madoka's wish restructured the whole universe, and the universe went "Okay then fuck you goodbye" and blinked her out of existence like a dumbass in Mage the Ascension who soaked up too much paradox :P

Basically what I'm saying is that a girl's ability to change things with her wish isn't really related to any sort of ... power level or whatever. Like if some OTHER girl wished for the same thing as Madoka, Kyuubey wouldn't have been like "lol no? You're totally not powerful enough for that." Cuz they're wishes and he says he can grant any wish. it's just that with each iteration of time building up on top of each other, Madoka was more and more likely to make a bigger and bigger wish.

That's what I think anyways, mostly because it makes more sense to me than some DBZ theory :P
supremekitten
7 years, 3 months ago
" You are debating physics in a show where the wishes of little girls doing the impossible and changing the laws of existence is an accepted reality. Isn't that the whole point of the wishes in the first place? Doing the impossible?

That's the problem, the show has kyubey, has some decent techno babble, physics, aliens, and visible elements of science fiction. This forces the show more on my scale of realistic explanations. It clashes. On top of it the show repeatedly bashes you on the head with a message that you can't do the impossible and all the wishes fail, so it doesn't work.
And manipulating time with a story which basic premise is around reversing entropy of universe by gathering energy comparable to entropy, it doesn't work. Manipulating time is basically manipulating the whole universe and it's whole entropy.

All those things just clash for me.

If the story would indeed be about he power of heart/will/wish, then it should not have a bad ending, and indeed everything should be possible. But that is not the case.
I find all of this internally broken on multiple levels.
Aogami
7 years, 3 months ago
lol well I enjoyed it. I'm sorry you didn't xD
supremekitten
7 years, 3 months ago
I'm more sorry that I didn't D: I want my enjoyment! *cry*
; p
Aogami
7 years, 3 months ago
Maybe you should write the boys' school comedy you've been wanting and draw it yourself? :3
supremekitten
7 years, 3 months ago
currently I'm having enough problems with writing an epic adventure with boys, girls, and herms, of plant and slug characteristics, amongst other things
supremekitten
7 years, 3 months ago
An anime or manga is too much work, and too slow to make. But I do have some experience with visual novels.
Aogami
7 years, 3 months ago
lol a visnov huh ... could be interesting :3
supremekitten
7 years, 4 months ago
Too bad it's so old though, the graphic is a bit of a turn-off
samsondrave
7 years, 4 months ago
School comedies are BORING, though.  I wanna see shit get blown up!
supremekitten
7 years, 4 months ago
Then go watch shit blown up, there is plenty of that in tv. Unless you mean the OTHER shit, in that case I suggest you go there http://www.doodie.com/ , i'm sure there is some
samsondrave
7 years, 4 months ago
Absolutely beautiful. <3
NekoKun
7 years, 4 months ago
I would love to see that also, there are loads of school-life anime about girls. I think another reason simply is that boys aren't "meant" to be cute that way, the writers and them wouldn't expect the audience to enjoy it as much or something. Off topic but in a similar situation are catboys, there just aren't any in anime, another case of anti-boycuteness xD.

Oh I actually just realized that most of the suggestions are shounen-ai or yaoi lol. Finding an anime like that that isn't either of those would be especially difficult. I would want more of ordinary boys doing ordinary things like lots of anime with girls do, it doesn't even have to be funny lol just "slice of life" stuff kinda like Lucky Star...but with boys x3
supremekitten
7 years, 4 months ago
" I think another reason simply is that boys aren't "meant" to be cute that way, the writers and them wouldn't expect the audience to enjoy it as much or something.

It does seem to be a broken assumption which authors and publishers are making.
I think if there was an anime like that and if it would be a funny anime with enjoyable characters, most people wouldn't care if it's boys or girls.
And yes, the few suggestions that come to mind are heavy seme-uke shounen ai and yaoi. There are no cute innocent comedies about cute funny little boys (while there are loads about girls)
For catboys watch Loveless ; p, there aren't all that many catgirls in anime either (unless it's just a singular love interest). As for girls Magical Meow Meow Taruto comes to mind.
FlyingFox
7 years, 4 months ago
have only seen like 5 min of this anime, but isent Sket dance about boys mainly?
supremekitten
7 years, 4 months ago
Out of the 3 main characters one is a violent bossy girl. Also the manga looks more violent/action rater than cute/innocent/funny.
Arle
7 years, 4 months ago
You might find a doujin or two like that, but I don't think you're going to find an anime that is the male equivalent of Azumanga Daioh, Ichigo Mashimaro (Strawberry Marshmallow), Pani Poni Dash, or Gokujou Seitokai (BEST Student Council) because of the Japanese views on gender roles.  Now I know you're not talking about shonen-ai, but the Japanese are kind of a repressed culture despite the fact that they do show on public TV things that can't be shown in the US.  The way I've heard it, shoujo-ai is one thing because pre-adolescent girls in Japan are expected and even encouraged to form close attachments to other girls - it's viewed as practice for when they will start taking an interest in boys.  As long as the girl takes a 'proper' interest in boys, she can even get away with being intimate with other girls.

Boys are never encouraged to form those kinds of relationships with other boys, and any hint of such relationships are always viewed as wrong and unnatural by mainstream Japanese culture.  Even a boy's school show like you describe without shonen-ai plot elements would be too evocative of shonen-ai because 'cute' is not a word Japanese mainstream society attaches to school-age males.  As nearly as I can tell, mainstream Japanese culture expects middle school males to be either into sports or a geek-oriented club, but cuteness is not on the agenda except for very young boys, and even then it only gets screen time in moderation.  Due to the time and resources required, anime is pretty much limited to mainstream entertainment - writers may slip in things like cute boy characters but only if there are enough 'normal' characters to balance it out or else the anime might not make enough money for the producer.

That's my take on it more or less... It's hard to focus at 2am, and I don't claim to be an expert on Japanese culture, so I may be totally wrong, but I wouldn't have said anything if I didn't think I was in the right ballpark.
supremekitten
7 years, 4 months ago
1. They could make one about very young boys, one about elementary school or preschool.
2. There are plenty of cute shotaro boys in both hetero anime and anime with gay undertones. If they can exist in a harem or shounen fighting series (some as main characters), why not here. Shounen fighting series are often heavy in boy x boy friendship, and it doesn't have to be intimate, and some of those boys are funny and cute, it's just not used in a school-life comedy plot.
3. If they can go as far as shounen ai and yaoi, why not do a less-erotic centered one, which is just a comedy? I still believe it's just a matter of not thinking about it. I don't think it would be unsuccessful if it were well made. You say japanese discourage friendship of boys, yet I'm sure you know how heavy group-oriented japan is, working together for some goal is a strong trope of Japanese people/kids, even more so boys, so why not use that and make anime about some boy club working to reach some goal (like there are already plenty about girls)?
4. How would they know if it will make or won't make money if I'm pretty sure they never made a proper one so they would have no data to use. It's just a stupid assumption. There are a lot of series which are for girls and which no publisher would think will get any interest from boys, and yet they have a massive following in male audience. There are shows which are the opposite, made for male audience but interest female audience. I don't think publishers are always making good assumptions, hence I posed the question: would you watch a cute funny anime about young boys doing silly things at school, assuming that you like cute funny anime about kids doing funny things at school?
Arle
7 years, 3 months ago
1. They could make one about very young boys, one about elementary school or preschool.

True, and I was actually thinking that would have the best chance of working.

4. How would they know if it will make or won't make money if I'm pretty sure they never made a proper one so they would have no data to use. It's just a stupid assumption. There are a lot of series which are for girls and which no publisher would think will get any interest from boys, and yet they have a massive following in male audience. There are shows which are the opposite, made for male audience but interest female audience. I don't think publishers are always making good assumptions, hence I posed the question: would you watch a cute funny anime about young boys doing silly things at school, assuming that you like cute funny anime about kids doing funny things at school?

Okay, you've got a few factors to consider here.  First, Japanese producers aren't much different than Hollywood - they mainly stick to things that either follow a proven formula (e.g. shounen fighting, harem animes, magical girls, etc.) or they have a known following in another format.  Most of the non-formulaic animes started out as either mangas or novels that achieved large followings.  To get something like you propose into anime form, you'd likely have to get it to be wildly successful as a novel or manga.  

Now the reason for the female bias aside from perceived gender roles is that straight males form the largest part of the manga buyers and straight males are more interested in females than males.  If you are a straight male with only 500 yen to spend and you aren't looking for one of the formulaic mangas or doujins, are you going to spend it on something with a interesting and varied cast or something that appears to be a gender-swap of a formulaic manga?  

I'm not saying it couldn't work, but you probably aren't going to attract as many people with visuals as something like Mahou Shoujo Madoka Magica (a deconstructionist approach to magical girl anime), so you'd be pretty much relying on having a storyline so amusing and/or compelling that word of mouth would take care of the rest.  It's not impossible - as you noted, cute shotaro characters do often have a strong following, but the odds are stacked against it because there are any number of female characters with larger followings.  That said, if one had an idea for a storyline that would be exceptionally compelling or entertaining, it should definitely be produced - you shouldn't waste good inspiration.

Now me personally, I'm afraid I'm one of those who would need to hear a recommendation first.  I'm into lolis, not shotas, so...heh...
(^.^);
liason
7 years, 4 months ago
Does this mean you're willing to create one?  I'd support it.
supremekitten
7 years, 4 months ago
When I make fiction I like to revert, invert, subvert, and avert the typical. Go against what people assume to be the only way.
I'm willing to create a lot of extraordinary things, If I have a chance.
RallyReki
7 years, 4 months ago
I feel like there should be a petition Dood.
I've always looked for an anime like this, but could never find one. The closest I got was a manga called "Pet On Duty" about a boy hiding/living with his brother in a business apartment complex filled with plenty of funny/bishie men. The manga is cute and funny, and well placed. I await the day it would be turned into an anime, but other then that I doubt there would be an anime boy harem.
supremekitten
7 years, 4 months ago
While pet on duty sounds like a cute manga, it's still a boy-love (even described as mature and yaoi). Like I said, I wasn't talking about yaoi, or about harem. What I'm looking for here isn't a harem or a boy-love anime. I'm looking for a cute, funny, comedy about school life of a group of boys (like Azumanga Daioh, Ichigo Mashimaro, Pani Poni Dash, Manabi straight, etc, but with a group of boys rather than a group of girls.)
RallyReki
7 years, 4 months ago
I got what you said, but that was the closest thing I could find. I feel like that idea will only be done by someone who is into yaoi and shounen-ai and would end up making the characters yaoi.
I still think there should be someone who could work on a cute idea like that, I would love to see similar characters as Miss Sakaki  or Miss Osaka but as males. Guys can be cute and fun or airhead like. I still think there should be a petition or at least a contest for this type of genre.
supremekitten
7 years, 4 months ago
Yes, it would be fun.
RallyReki
7 years, 3 months ago
Dood! my brother just reminded me, Cromartie High is a funny anime about an all boys school with no sexual themes, the only problem is, not too pretty to look at. but it is hilarious!
supremekitten
7 years, 3 months ago
Someone already pointed this one out and yes, It was a great anime. Very funny.
RallyReki
7 years, 3 months ago
oh sorry, I didn't notice.
supremekitten
7 years, 3 months ago
RallyReki
7 years, 3 months ago
XD one of the best jokes ever!
Catwheezle
7 years, 4 months ago
I kind of agree about the sameyness of a lot of animes, with everyone following the same well-worn tropey paths that were beaten back in the 80-90s. But it's not just the lack of male school comedies. In fact, I'd rather do pretty much anything other than watch a school-based animé comedy of any type. They've been overdone to death and beyond.

This is why, while I love anime, I don't (can't abide to) watch modern-day-setting anime any more. After watching far too much tedious Rumiko Takahashi, I've been turned off most animes, and it's been almost a decade since I've seen anything anime other than a Ghibli movie (because Studio Ghibli can do no wrong in my eyes!).

I tried, I really did, to get into Elfen Lied. No go. The others had killed it for me.

Most stuff that's not modern day Japan, I can still watch/read and enjoy. Dominion Tank Police, Dragon Half, Escaflowne, Appleseed, Wind of Amnesia, Ghost in the Shell, Dirty Pair, 3x3 Eyes, Gunsmith Cats. That kinda stuff.

But even El-Hazard, Bastard, Inuyasha, Cowboy Bebop, Evangelion... my eyes glaze over. Never mind the interminably endless series of pap they're churning out nowadays: the same beaten-dead tropes: schoolgirl awkwardness, love-triangles, magic girls, tentacle porn, or martial arts fights. Sailor Moon, Dragonball Z, et al.
supremekitten
7 years, 4 months ago
Tastes, there are so many of them.
Now, be gentle with me because I didn't get enough of sleep so I may be more annoying than normally.
I could argue that out of all the things you named only GITS, 3x3 eyes, Dragon Half, Evangelion and maybe Bastard are the only ones which aren't really generic. (Never heard about Amnesia so I'll disregard that one) Personally I much prefer Lain over Evangelion, GITS was sort of interesting but not really my taste, I haven't seen 3x3 eyes, Bastard was sort of interesting, but I'd say Dragon Half is the really interesting and original one here
Studio Ghibili did a bunch of adaptation of European/American stuff, which isn't necessarily very original of fun (in my opinion), and which I'm not very fond of. They made at lest two (maybe more) adaptations of non-Japanese books. If we look further back, Nausicaa (probably my favorite) or Laputa, were both very likely inspired by aftermath of world war II (they are both very old and heavily influenced by that, and at that time there were a bunch of other stories also inspired by the same thing)
Inuyasha and Dragon ball are more or less the same type of anime (personally I prefer db); we can add shaman king, yu-gi-oh, megaman, and a bunch of others to this list.

Most of the anime which you named have sort of Americanized plots, consisting of sexy girls with guns, fighting crime in modern or slightly futuristic setting, which isn't necessarily original at all. (There is plenty of it in American live tv series, just not in anime)
El hazared from what I remember is a rather generic fantasy harem, where a guy gets a bunch of sexy girls or robots for whatever reason, and all fall in love with him (like Saber marionette J, Oh my Goddes, Mahoromatic, Kurumi, and a bunch of others)
Elfen lied is a bit of a mess for people with specific fetishes ; p it could have been deep and serious, alas it ended as more of a gore party with moe girls, silliness, and no all that much sense or complexity (my opinion, yes), and it's really hard to take it seriously (at lest for me).
Cowboy Bebop.. I have a personal dislike for, because... I never liked wild west movies, SO I can't really speak about it as I never watched it, the whole stylization just turned me off.
Magical girls? I like them, some are more original than others, and some are stupid. Sailor Moon was nice because it was pretty dark at times, moody, dreamy, and quite engaging. (And if you ask me, if a daughter comes from the future and lives with her mother like sisters, and has romantic thoughts about that mother's boyfriend, well that is pretty original in a way, even for anime XD; and she even has romantic thoughts about a damn horse... I mean the flying horse ; p)
Tentacle porn happens only in... porn, It's nothing new either, from the very beginning of hentai genre, and even before manga existed, tentacle porn was already available in various forms in Japan, this trope is older than manga.
If someone asks me about original anime, I like to suggest Mushishi as a first choice. (That's disregarding the completely abstract artistic creations like for example Cat Soup)

Alas, my problem isn't with a lack of original anime. My problem is with underrepresentation of some genders or groups in some genres. If there is a genre about boys, I want some examples about girls instead, if there is genre about girls, I want some example with boys
There are lots of magical girls, I want more magical boys
There are a lot of fighting anime about little boys, I want some about little girls
There are loads of anime about cute little girls doing cute silly things, I want some about boys
If there are loads anime where some vulgar aggressive girl repeatedly beats up some guy for completely no sensible reason other than "it's supposed to be funny you dimwit", I want to see some examples of the opposite, and anime where a guy repeatedly beats a girl for no sensible reason other than being "funny"
I'm looking for balance in art.
Catwheezle
7 years, 4 months ago
Heh - I don't need to be gentle, since I mostly agree with you, though we do have at least slightly different tastes in anime/manga.

I don't really agree that there must be gender balance in art - I rather *like* Japan's radically different gender roles. But then I'm still struggling with the fact that I'm hypocritically torn on the subject of misogyny. I don't feel the genders are, nor should be, required to be equal in all areas. Permitted, yes, but not required.
supremekitten
7 years, 4 months ago
I didn't even say I demand an equal amount of everything. I only asked for there to at least be some more reversed examples. I don't like how either sex is portrayed in both Japanese and American tv, and contrary to what one may believe they are portrayed rather similarly. Japan balances some things better but at the same others go completely out of scale. (But the gender roles are hardly different, it's still the "guy works and does things for the girl trying to get her" mindset, mainly)

I like when the cast is mixed of both boys and girls, but they aren't assigned some specific (and generaly stupid) gender roles.
If someone makes a cast of one small boy and a bunch of large girls, and they still make him carry their bags and stuff, that's not because "guys are stronger", it's because of... retardation and insanity
And if someone thinks boys can't be as cute or silly or funny as girls, then I think she/he never went to school. Boys in elementary or primary school are at least as fun to watch as girls.

I don't ask for everyone to be equal in all areas, technically I only asked for more variation in fiction. And some swapped gender roles. I only asked for some balance. I ask for reason and I want the authors to think, to do things because they are logical, not because that's the stereotype.

Finally, I want balance as in "a harmonious or satisfying arrangement or proportion of parts or elements"
Which I find there isn't any.
Catwheezle
7 years, 4 months ago
You're very hard to disagree with, since in most places I agree with you.

I'm not sure that gender roles are always stupid in real life, though I do agree that the ones in anime are perhaps.... yeah, at least *very often* stupid, maybe *almost always*, and mixing them up and giving more variety might fix the problem I have that so much animé seems so incredibly samey and hackeyed and stereotypical to the point of unwatchability.
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