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Brainsister

Rule 34, 'Ruination', and Perceptions of Sexuality

Here's something I've been thinking about for quite awhile, but finally got to sit down and write about it. I hope it doesn't come off sounding too douchebag-y, but if it does, just bear with me, because I've got to drop a beat here.

I think people have misinterpreted my intentions (and maybe those of other similar artists) a fair bit over the years, as far as the reason why I draw some of the things I do. As you can imagine, it's all been pertaining to rule 34. As soon as I choose something that's close to a lot of people's hearts as a subject (probably because it's close to mine as well, imagine that!), I tend to 'hear from people' about it to some degree. Now, I don't know exatcly what other people's motivations are to draw this kind of thing, but for me, it tends to be a combination of lust, humour, and affection for the source material. Please take note of that last characteristic, as it's very important. In a lot of cases, the process tends to go something like this:

I develop a lot of affection for a character -> they make me 'feel funny' in that 'special way' -> I draw dumb porn of them

I guess a lot of people must use porn as a way to deride and 'ruin' a character or franchise, but that's really not my intent when I draw stuff; as I said, I have nothing but affection for these guys, and of course I mean that in the platonic as well as the sexual. I'm just a weirdo who finds cartoon characters hot for weird reasons, okay? I love them just as much as you do, I promise. I bear no ill will toward them or you.

Sometimes I wonder if it's people's generally-negative views of sex and sexuality that cause all this unneeded upset over porn of their favorite characters. They seem to see sex as demeaning, demoralising and even abusive in its own right, and I think that view is horrible and damaging on such a fundamental level that I can't even express it adequately. Is this how you see your lover, or anyone you do choose to think of in a sexual way? Do you imagine yourself demeaning, sullying and harming this person in the cruellest of ways every time you make love? (consentual fetish play aside, of course ;P) As someone with a highly positive view of sexuality, I find it difficult to imagine what relationships, or life itself, must be like with this in the way. It truly breaks my heart.

*sigh* Okay, I guess I'm done now, I don't even know if this is coherent. =/
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Added: 7 years, 5 months ago
 
macavity
7 years, 5 months ago
I agree :-)
Brainsister
7 years, 5 months ago
Elmyra: IIIII agreeeee.
Nishi
7 years, 5 months ago
I understand. (: I think people probably just like joking about having eir childhood ruined, or making things to ruin a character for someone, since that's the most fun reaction. However we've all been hazed so much I doubt it's as legitimate a ohrase or idea as it used ti be. Unless maybe you're dealing with a younger, more uptight, or pruder crowd. I'm surs a lot of people have those dumb negative views on sex and sexuality though, like it's a terrible thing. I doubt those people are going to be all that happy any time soon, but with such a prude sort of society or because so many people are sheltered thst stuff might be more likely to happen. And then again, people lie and say they're older than they are, so maybe a lot of people with those view are just kids who pretend they're old enough to see them, but they don't really understand it yet. You never know. But our positive views on sexuality csn rub off on other at lesst. (:

Excuse the iPad typoes.
Brainsister
7 years, 5 months ago
Oh yeah, the whole 'ruined my childhood' meme is the standard reaction (though maybe someone should come up with a new spin on that one to freshen it up). =3 It's the folks who are fully serious about their upset that get me wondering. I don't know what's worse, younger folks lying about their age to peruse (and be subsequently squicked by) this stuff, or older ones who still feel that way. =P
Nishi
7 years, 4 months ago
Haha. X3 I think it's worse for the older ones, since maybe they were sheltered and never grew out of it - compared to being younger, where it's sorta how you feel and you'll probably grow into things later. For them both it should be a matter of avoiding what they don't like, and if the older one is still not doing that then... X3
Though, even more confusing now that I'm older is that rare confusing situation where you try to separate the people that like it into who's old enough and who's pretending to be. D:
fluffdance
7 years, 5 months ago
Honestly, I've never really put much thought into it, but in retrospect, looking at the brief summation of your thought process, I would have to agree entirely.  I find it difficult to take offense to things in the first place, and Rule 34 definitely fails in that department.  I was honestly oblivious that there was any such mass intent for it to be a destructive process.  I just enjoy what I enjoy, plain and simple.  :-)
Brainsister
7 years, 5 months ago
" fluffdance wrote:
I find it difficult to take offense to things in the first place


See, that's why I like you, you're nice and malleable. ;)
fluffdance
7 years, 5 months ago
<giggles>  It's no secret.  ;-)
Alfador
7 years, 5 months ago
" Sometimes I wonder if it's people's generally-negative views of sex and sexuality that cause all this unneeded upset over porn of their favorite characters. They seem to see sex as demeaning, demoralising and even abusive in its own right, and I think that view is horrible and damaging on such a fundamental level that I can't even express it adequately.


A THOUSAND TIMES AGREEEED
theuncalledfor
7 years, 5 months ago
Me too! Thank you for saying exactly what I wanted to say!
These thanks also extend to Brainsister, obviously.
artfan1988
7 years, 5 months ago
Me three.
I'm a fan of those animated characters and when someone draws smexy pics of them, my childhood is NOT RUINED.
But, to me it's still good fanart; Remember, Art is art is art. Nothing more or less.
Brainsister
7 years, 5 months ago
You're welcome, I just like to yell sometimes is all! =o
Rally
7 years, 5 months ago
It's coherent, and I agree with everything you just said. The reason I commission art and write stories of rule 34 porn is because I love the characters in every possible way. At the same time, I do get a kick out of the reactions it causes from certain individuals. They always shriek, "MY CHILDHOOD!!!!", and it caused me to come up with my own catchphrase rebuttal: "Your childhood is meaningless, so shut up and fap!"

I made a video on YouTube that sexualizes scenes from The Angry Beavers, which has been met with mostly positive feedback, but of course there's been several whiners as well. Some people chastise me for "ruining a great cartoon", and one even asked "what if kids saw this?!", to which another user replied, "I'm 13 and I think this is hilarious!"

Some people think I made that video to make fun of the show because I hate it, which couldn't be further from the truth. If I was going to belittle a show I didn't like, I wouldn't sexualize it; I would make it look retarded, which isn't hard considering what's on TV these days. The reason I made that video is because I love the show and the characters, a LOT, and I wanted to share something amusing I had noticed about it. Also, if I didn't love the show, I wouldn't have tons of merchandise from it, including several extremely rare items virtually no one else has or can get. That's the reason I do rule 34 of them; I love them. I love them almost as much as my actual mates. I don't see them as just fap material. If they were real, I would show them the same affection I show my boyfriends, as well as fucking them raw from time to time. :P


tl;dr - You're not alone in how you feel.
KinkyTurtle
7 years, 5 months ago
And if you hated the show, you probably wouldn't want to spend your time picking out clips to use for your video.

In my experience, when people want to make fun of a show they hate, they usually just draw crude caricatures of the character and have them say retarded things.
Brainsister
7 years, 5 months ago
"Look at me! I am Pinkie Pie, and I am dumb, hurr durr! Oh no, why am I so neat and cute? That is dumb! I'll have to keep doing it!"
Brainsister
7 years, 5 months ago
Well, I fully acknowledge the "ruined my childhood" statement as a meme and a jest; the thing that gets me is just that break with tongue-in-cheek meme-itude where a person suddenly gets all Jerry Fallwell about it. XP I absolutely feel your pain on this one, too. Guess there will always be people who can't connect those two wires in their brain without shorting out!

P.S. YouTube is, unfortunately, the cesspool of the internet as far as its users go.
SenGrisane
7 years, 5 months ago
I don't draw rule34 stuff very often, but when I do then because I like the material I am working with (like Candice from Phineas and Ferb ^^)

I would never honour a cartoon character I don't like with porn from my hand. <.<
This extends to some degree to cartoon characters I don't know.
KinkyTurtle
7 years, 5 months ago
Yeah! When people hate a show, they don't draw porn of it, they draw the characters saying retarded things, or getting killed in messy ways (which occurred to me in between writing my reply to Rally and this one.)
SenGrisane
7 years, 5 months ago
Yes that they do. ^^
Bahlam
7 years, 5 months ago
I think it's pretty weird that anyone would take things so seriously and so personally that rule 34 material would actually 'ruin' anything for them.  You've got to be taking it pretty seriously.  I take toons seriously in the sense that I tend to think out lots of stuff like the material in my FiM fanfics.  The fictional world makes sense to me that way.  I do it because I love the show and want there to be more to it.  The same goes for Rule 34 material.  By the same token the infamous Cupcakes doesn't 'ruin' FiM for me at all.  It's someone's freaky interpretation of Pinkie's craziness.  To me she's a character who escaped a horribly bland and depressing fillyhood (if you believe her story in Cutie Mark Chronicles) through partying, not some violent psycho.  Some fic and art is always awful or stupid or more often just has a different interpretation.  The same goes for revivals of old stuff, most of which are awful in one way or another.  FiM is a huge exception to that of course.  

Also, cartoons from my own childhood are some of the ones I tend to draw the most.  Bugs is one big one.  I was thinking naughty thoughts about him and other toons at a surprisingly young age.  To me, it's part of my childhood, screwed up as it was in many ways.  I don't draw things I see as degrading.  I know some like toon porn that's violent (in a non-toony way) or degrading.  That's okay.  I don't like it but I'm not bent out of shape by it and can't understand why anyone would be.  Some people would see gay sex as inherently degrading.  What?  Some people really act as if it this stuff will contaminate their memories or something.  Fanart someone has done for fun or out of horniness isn't going to change anything about the toon itself or your experience of it.  It's stuff I do for fun, quityerbitchin.  

There's a similar phenomenon in the larger social domain.  There are people who will write letters and complain if their favorite group issue is portrayed in some way they disagree with.  If women or Deaf people or some ethnic minority is portrayed in a less than ideal light in their eyes they start writing letters to the newspaper.  I think it's basically the same sort of motivation.  It's not nice to portray real people in negative ways.  It can cause real world problems.  But with toons, what's the deal?  Is it going to make people think Bugs Bunny likes crossdressing?  Well, yeah, he does and I like to draw pictures of him and his fluffy tail that's been turning me on for ages.  
theuncalledfor
7 years, 5 months ago
Sturgeons law: 90% of everything is crud.
KinkyTurtle
7 years, 5 months ago
Yeah!

The infamous "Cupcakes" story (or, as I like to call it, "chapter 1 of 'Pinkie's Bad Dream'") almost ruined Pinkie for me. Not the story itself, actually, but its inexplicable popularity among the show's fans. There was a time when the people on Ponychan and YouTube wouldn't shut up about it, and their favorite game seemed to be to use any line of dialog or event from the show as evidence (however tenuous) that "Cupcakes" is plausible. I saw, for instance, people stating with a straight face that Pinkie was obviously abused by her parents, and other crap like that. I was still new to FiM fandom at the time and it made me feel like an outsider, and it honestly did make it hard for me to watch certain parts of the show (especially "Party of One"; to this day I resent having my first impression of that episode colored almost entirely by the "CUPCAKES CONFIRMED" brigade).

But I've pretty much gotten over it by now. :}

Although this does point out a difference between that and rule 34: Desiree draws porn of characters out of affection for them. The guy who wrote That Thing clearly did NOT have affection in mind; in fact, I heard he wrote it because he was pissed off by one too many Rainbow Dash x Pinkie Pie shipping stories. Which, y'know, says more about him than it does about the characters.
Brainsister
7 years, 5 months ago
" Ixbalam wrote:
I think it's pretty weird that anyone would take things so seriously and so personally that rule 34 material would actually 'ruin' anything for them.


People are pretty precious about things sometimes, huh? I guess it's one of those 'first world problems'. XP

" Ixbalam wrote:
By the same token the infamous Cupcakes doesn't 'ruin' FiM for me at all.  It's someone's freaky interpretation of Pinkie's craziness.  


Yeah, exactly. Man, if it ruined a fandom for me every time I saw something crappy, out-of-character or bizarro-world interpreted, I wouldn't have anything left to like!

" Ixbalam wrote:
  Also, cartoons from my own childhood are some of the ones I tend to draw the most.  Bugs is one big one.  I was thinking naughty thoughts about him and other toons at a surprisingly young age.  To me, it's part of my childhood, screwed up as it was in many ways.


With you on that, for sure. I know there are plenty of us who can trace some of our, er... idiosyncracies... back to quite a young age when we were watching these things.

" Ixbalam wrote:
Is it going to make people think Bugs Bunny likes crossdressing?  Well, yeah, he does and I like to draw pictures of him and his fluffy tail that's been turning me on for ages.


Anybody who doesn't think Bugs Bunny likes to crossdress must be in a coma. XP
Bahlam
7 years, 5 months ago
One thing I could understand is if someone were messing with a creator's personal characters.  It doesn't bother me much.  I've had furs draw my characters horribly.  To be so bent out of shape over cartoon characters is just beyond.  It's especially weird when the sexual interpretations are perfectly in character or meant to be ironic.  I tend to think of those eight-pagers of Lucille Ball and Bob Hope and all that.  Sometimes the artists put a lot of thought into the way they portrayed them and filled the work with in jokes (which are dated or forgotten now of course).  They probably didn't have to do that but you can tell from the work that they loved to do it and wanted to do it.  It's the same with cartoon fan artists.  We're the ones who love the characters deeply enough to get horny over them.  Get your tail out of a knot and quit bitchin'.  =^.^=  

I think I could definitely trace some of my peculiarities to childhood experiences.  The thing is I've become very positive about sexualitiy after some very bad history and I think cartoons were one of the things that helped me deal with early traumatic experiences.  Kids who have been through that kind of thing very often become very negative about sex and either become anti-sex or see themselves as worthless objects and go into low-end sex work, reliving their earlier experiences.  Characters like Bugs had an attitude and could get away with things I never could.  And as you've said in other comments, the sensual nature of the cartoonists imaginations comes through in their work.  
McDutt
7 years, 5 months ago
I feel so attracted by you at the moment.
Brainsister
7 years, 5 months ago
Aww, golly. =D
ruink
7 years, 5 months ago
you know, some people feel this same way when they read the pages of Mario Project.
truthfully, I wrote that with the knowledge I learned about the socialcultural and genital stages of a person's life and used Mario characters for this because I think there are parts of the Mushroom Kingdom that need to be seen that aren't seen.  it's not really porn, but more or less hentai.  I myself figured that you just drew some hentai and not actual porn, as I can tell the difference between "hentai" and "cartoon/animated porn" and the latter looks so terrible.  either way, I like what you draw... I even have self conflict about coloring a good lot of your sketches and posting them (while giving the propers, of course).

keep drawing your hentai, critics can simply suck your canyon if they hate it that much
CrystalMendrilia
7 years, 5 months ago
The reason people view sex as a negative is you live a country that was heavily influenced by Religion.
RevampSkunk
7 years, 5 months ago
Oh so very freaking true Crystal
Brainsister
7 years, 5 months ago
But I don't live in the United States. =o

(though, granted, most of the people with those feelings probably do)
CrystalMendrilia
7 years, 5 months ago
Well what country do you live in?  :3   (and religions influence is not unique to the United States.... we're just.... argh, so influenced by it today.  If we were able to get away with it, there would be a new inquisition...
Brainsister
7 years, 4 months ago
Well, actually, I grew up in Texas but moved to Western Australia later when I hooked up with this fellow warnerfag here. ;3 You are correct, though!
CrystalMendrilia
7 years, 4 months ago
It's worth noting today that Texas is becoming less and less pious. ^_^
BillySquirrel
7 years, 5 months ago
I feel pretty much the same. I don't draw what I do to be mean. I see toons as reflections, how ever exaggerated, of humanity. If that's true then why would they deny themselves the simple affection and intimacy that is at the very core of our being. I think people have a pretty screwed up view of sex and it's intended function. Or as the lady says "Thou protest to much" as a means of alleviating guilt for their own unvoiced thoughts.
Brainsister
7 years, 5 months ago
Yeah, it's like saying you don't like the idea of cartoon characters eating, or something. Birds, do it, bees do it, even educated fleas do it... ;>
BillySquirrel
7 years, 5 months ago
They sang that song in the Tank Girl movie XD
Meowz
7 years, 5 months ago
I absolutely agree as well. I can understand that some fans are generally NOT INTERESTED in porn of this type, and thus, never even consider drawing any.

But then there is that sort that fully understands(?) the concepts of porn, and refuses outright to draw any characters from, let's say, The Lion King, involved in any sexual acts, because ... "I love them too much!" or "I have too much respect for them." and what not. I will never argue with these opinions as they are, simply just that, opinions. But yeah. It's really strange how it's an effect of great masses. They all seem to think that porn is bad. On the flip side, death scenes with blood gurgling splatter effects and the cruelest of actions (maybe as part of 'vent art' or not), appear to be generally more accepted, even in cartoons for minors, and on tv.

This is a strange world we live in. As for me, I do love the Lion King, but as I grew up with it, I see NO reason whatsoever, not to admire the sleek beauty of Nala, for example. Yes, that makes me a sick fuck for 99% of the worlds population. I don't care.
theuncalledfor
7 years, 5 months ago
The world is totally fucked up.
Brainsister
7 years, 5 months ago
Oh, no, I don't expect anyone to draw or have anything to do with it if they don't want to. I just think it's terrible that they think in such ways about it.

" Meowz wrote:
But then there is that sort that fully understands(?) the concepts of porn, and refuses outright to draw any characters from, let's say, The Lion King, involved in any sexual acts, because ... "I love them too much!" or "I have too much respect for them." and what not.


Yep, there's that "sexual desire and respect are mutually exclusive" bit, and that's what bothers me more than anything. What a way to think of and treat any subject of your desire. =/

" Meowz wrote:
On the flip side, death scenes with blood gurgling splatter effects and the cruelest of actions (maybe as part of 'vent art' or not), appear to be generally more accepted, even in cartoons for minors, and on tv.


Acts of violence are far better for the kiddies than all that terrible, deviant sex! What does this say about our society's state of mind, boys and girls?

" Meowz wrote:
As for me, I do love the Lion King, but as I grew up with it, I see NO reason whatsoever, not to admire the sleek beauty of Nala, for example. Yes, that makes me a sick fuck for 99% of the worlds population. I don't care.


Disgusting pervert! You know good and well that you should be lusting after Pumbaa! ;)
ScottyKat
7 years, 5 months ago
that made plenty of sence. i get porn pics screwing characters i really like alot.
Not to humilate them, or to ruin them. Its to show affection. and sence all of these
characters are not able to come into physical contact with people, people draw their
affection.. Or in the non art talented like my self, have them drawn XD
Brainsister
7 years, 5 months ago
Everybody knows Scotty has affection oozing from every pore! Look at him go!
ScottyKat
7 years, 5 months ago
*gives you an affectionate hug*
Hehe
theuncalledfor
7 years, 5 months ago
Why would you put lots of effort into drawing beautiful pornographic art of characters you hate, just so you could humiliate/desecrate them? If that was your intention, you obviously would just draw really crappy porn that makes the characters look like retards instead.

Poeple are stupid.
Brainsister
7 years, 5 months ago
Shut up, can't you see I'm crying and fapping under the bed? ;_;
theuncalledfor
7 years, 5 months ago
What.
I dont understand.
Was that some weird joke?
Because I don't get it.
Brainsister
7 years, 5 months ago
A joke in response to what you said, about people claiming to dislike a character/franchise, and then producing all this lovingly-rendered porn of them. =P ("crying and fapping under the bed" because they're ashamed of being so doggone attracted to them)
theuncalledfor
7 years, 5 months ago
Ah. Okay.
I still don't get it.
But now I know I never will, as I am incapable of understanding this particular joke.
So sorry for my inability to understand.
And thanks for explaining.
Mewdles
7 years, 5 months ago
I don't like to try to understand how individuals or a group of people can get upset over fictional depictions of fictional characters.
Brainsister
7 years, 5 months ago
I've been known to think far too much. D=
lock444
7 years, 5 months ago
it was coherient and insightfull. i feel that sex is a good and fun thing X3 if people get upset by that then they are truely sad in my eyes.
Brainsister
7 years, 5 months ago
More fun than those super-soakers they had to take off the market because they shot viscous white goo!
biggerstaff
7 years, 5 months ago
Rule 34 ruins childhoods when it's badly drawn and/or directly mocking. If it's well-drawn, sexy, and/or at least slightly respectful of the characters, it simply gives your childhood a boner.
Brainsister
7 years, 5 months ago
You pretty much gave my mission statement, right here. *salute*
GeneCatlow
7 years, 5 months ago
The only ruinous things that happened to me in my otherwise excellent childhood were done to me by real people, so I probably never would have my memories disturbed by any characters I recognize from back then depicted in any erotic situations. The real issue, for me, is how long ago that childhood was. The longer one lives, the more one sees old things getting new names. What is now called "Rule 34" used to be the common staple of underground comix and 'Tijuana Bibles'.  Read a few interviews of the people who worked at the classic animation studios - the animators often drew things among themselves that were as naughty as anything you see online now - there just wasn't any 'online' back then. So, basically, it's a matter of "Twas Ever Thus". Every person in the world feels differently about sex, so no matter what you draw - with your own characters or others - it's going to strike a chord with someone. Hopefully good, sometimes not so good, but hey - the minute you create, you run the risk. So create and be a healthier, happier person for it. :)
Brainsister
7 years, 5 months ago
Oh, Uncle Max was an incredible lech as I'm sure you know. ;) He got together with (who we're pretty sure to be) Ub Iwerks and Walt Disney in the 20s to do that "Buried Treasure" short, after all. Artists who work with cartoon characters are just really sexual people, it seems, and you can see this in the work of any really good character designer or animator. Dan Haskett is a great example of this (not to mention a personal reference point for me), you can just see how much care and sensuality he lavishes on every contour of a character's body, even in the 'cleanest' of his designs. Come on folks, don't be afraid to get off on it; the artists already did! ;)
PlatinumPen
7 years, 5 months ago
Our dear artist Rally made a perfect picture for just such an occasion.
its Here  https://inkbunny.net/submissionview.php?id=101068#comme...
If I am ever lazing about a chan board and see someone complaining about "ruining their childhood" I'll be sure to post this pic.

And as for what they think, who cares when I posted a digimon story I wrote someone hated on me because, "I ruined Cocomon's character" so you know what. I wrote the story, I wrote it to enjoy the art of writing and to get the story out of my head. I posted it so others might find it enjoyable, if someone don't like it I don't care less.
Brainsister
7 years, 5 months ago
Hahah, might as well be up front about it! =3

Also, if you ask me, a character's only ruined if the viewer lets 'em be.
tonygreyfox
7 years, 5 months ago
I never wrote any of my fanfics to demean any characters, personally; I wrote them because I could honestly see them in those kinds of situations. To me it's an adult extension of the characters as we've gotten to know them. Sure, they may be written for kids, in a general sense, but for those of us who are older and enjoying the particular property, and find a connection to the character or characters, it's almost a natural thing to explore that if you're creative enough to do it.
Brainsister
7 years, 5 months ago
Yeah, I don't know why it's such a leap for some people; as I said to Gene, a good character designer or animator already puts so much appeal and sensuality into them, how could you NOT imagine such a 'natural progression of events' with ease? Not to mention, it's just What Big People Do. =)
TaiWilson
7 years, 5 months ago
THANK YOU! My thoughts exactly.

I got some shit a little while back when I posted a Calvin and Hobbes story, featuring, you guessed it, Calvin and Hobbes. I got the usual "That's just not right" response, without any sort of reasoning behind why it was supposedly wrong.

I wanted to tell the guy that the reason why I wrote the story was because it was a way of expressing my appreciation for the series and a way of exploring the characters relationship in a more grown-up fashion.

At the time, I couldn't properly think of how to say this. I think this post of yours really helped me get a few ideas together in terms of why I like doing what I do. Thanks.
Brainsister
7 years, 5 months ago
Oh boy, Calvin and Hobbes, I bet that one's a minefield. <=P Bottom line is, they probably don't know why either; they just know it makes them feel and think a whole lot of stuff they don't understand and aren't comfortable with (ahh, gotta love them comfort zones). Anyway, if it helped, I'm very glad!
SirStefan02
7 years, 5 months ago
GeneCatlow is right. Many of our "sainted" cartoons were in fact drawn for fillers between more adult movies while they changed the film reels, so they had to have some adult appeal. And the cartoonists in the days of cell animation were just as likely to draw those "precious characters" involved in sexual activity as anyone here. Betty Boop, one of the oldest cartoons in the industry, is a prime example of implied sexuality. In fact, she may be the first furry character because she was originally drawn as a dog. The cartoonists changed her to look more human, and her long ears to earrings. That's why she has a dog boyfriend named Bosko. They changed her but not her boyfriend because she was more popular and had more "commercial appeal", (read made more money). Some of you FA members I'm sure can see that FA is falling under the influence of commercial interests who are financially afraid of boycotts and lawsuits from the public. Why else would they change their policies or enforce those they may have implicitly chose but never really followed. Its because somebody doesn't want their "precious memories" sullied by "such sick filth. There otter be a law!!" SO they lobby against the commercial endorsers of the websites, the website owners drop the project because they can't afford it on their own and can't charge enough for membership, so "that sick, perverted website" disappears and the world is now back to the sweet, innocent little fairyland it was when they were kids. Now we can all sleep safe tonight. Fah!
Brainsister
7 years, 5 months ago
Exactly, the whole "being for kids" idea didn't even come along until the advent of television, when those shorts were some of the first things they had on hand to air, and the kiddies ate 'em up.

" SirStefan02 wrote:
And the cartoonists in the days of cell animation were just as likely to draw those "precious characters" involved in sexual activity as anyone here.


The best part is, the further back you go, the more depraved it gets. ;) The boys from Termite Terrace are notorious! Also, concerning Uncle Max and his little Betty Boop, I guess that speaks for itself, boop-oop-a-doop. =o
biohazard
7 years, 5 months ago
I can't imagine myself ever drawing porn of characters I didn't love (snuff, maybe, but not porn)...

As for childhoods, I can remember visualizing Archie and Edith Bunker having sex when I was about eight years old, so I ruined my own.
Brainsister
7 years, 5 months ago
" biohazard wrote:
I can't imagine myself ever drawing porn of characters I didn't love (snuff, maybe, but not porn)...

Aaaahahahah! XD

Also: "Ohhh, Owaaaaah-chieee..."
lexcypher
7 years, 4 months ago
Wow that's kinda profound, I can really get this. I have to admit I also love the feeling of people going "OMFG why would you do that", that sqick reaction is great to hear back. Though given some of my own characters that's no surprise.
Brainsister
7 years, 3 months ago
(Wow, timely responses, go me! Sorry, I just now got around to the bottom of my messages =p)

Yeah, I guess "surprising" people has its own fun sometimes, and I'm sure I've alienated a few watchers over the years by suddenly barrel-rolling into uncharted territory, myself. I think way too much about things, so don't pay any attention to me. ;)
gaturday
7 years, 4 months ago
let's see.  I have a million theories about this.

I just think people like combining the things they like, whether it's porn and their favorite animated program, or dessert topping and floor wax.

I have to admit, though, there are different motivations at play, and that could have something to do with it.  I hope you don't mind if I use Dot as an example.  When I see 8horns' fan art of her, it seems he's treating her as some disposable loli, as though he replaced her brain with that of a human preschooler.  And that's why he's the creepy example used in the Encyclopedia Dramatica page; his art is the most offensive, easiest to make fun of, and can be accused of ruining the character.  Granted, any porn of a Y-rated TV show is going to take liberties, or at least make assumptions, but in my opinion, good fan art of any kind is not just being physically on-model, but characteristically on-model.  For starters, on the show, Dot may be cute, but she's never submissive.  Usually, she and her brothers are annoying somebody, doing whatever's funniest.  Often, they're drawing attention to themselves.  So Dot seems natural in confident cheesecake poses, in a way that an unambiguous child character wouldn't.  And, that one picture of Wakko with the hammer in front of the webcam, seems like the kind of thing he'd do if he found /b/.  And I've always seen Yakko as a ruthless MILF hunter, but there is surprisingly little fanart that bears that out.  So, if you draw as if you've seen and understand the show, then your art will have a much better effect than if you just turn the character into an object.  
Artzilla60
7 years, 3 months ago
dessert topping and floor wax...I know that Reference! I just wish I could remember where it's from .
Puppyfluff
7 years, 3 months ago
I think art should be self-indulgent, and a lot of the characters Rule 34'd tend to be the characters that the artist grew up with. There is nothing wrong with wanting to see cartoons or whatever erotically. I certainly think it's more wholesome than other types of porn out there, not to mention it's not harmful and demeaning to the fictional characters involved compared next to flesh-and-blood porn.
Artzilla60
7 years, 3 months ago
Well made points... I understand totally about the big three I never would never rule 34 something I didn't enjoy... even Disney, with whom I have a Love Hate relationship...  love the cartoons Really Really hate their philosophy

"I develop a lot of affection for a character -> they make me 'feel funny' in that 'special way' -> I draw dumb porn of them"  I do the same thing, sometimes you just come across a character that touches a soft spot.
Hey, it is coherent, either that or I'm so incoherent that I understand it
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