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dmfalk

Is Inkbunny condoning art theft?

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I hope not!

However, my longtime friend,
LupineAssassin
LupineAssassin
, just had a fursona pic of his, which he commissioned from bo-gilliam , pilfered and modified by a user who goes by the name of
eldingar
eldingar
.

The original pic, in
LupineAssassin
LupineAssassin
's gallery is here:
Beach Fur by LupineAssassin

The modified pic, and claimed as
eldingar
eldingar
's fursona, is here: https://www.furaffinity.net/view/11498338/

This is not the first that
eldingar
eldingar
has stolen!

But as @e[dingar has not posted any of his thefts here on IB, the staff won't do anything to prevent any further thefts. This makes it seem that it's OK to steal artwork posted on IB, modify it, claim as yours, and post it somewhere else.

I hope this is not the case.

The fact that bo-gilliam does not have it in his FA gallery (which I checked), but probably does in his dA gallery (which I have not checked) doesn't help matters.

This is not fair to the artist, bo-gilliam , who owns the copyright as an artist, to have his artwork stolen and modified without permission. This also is not fair to
LupineAssassin
LupineAssassin
, whose fursona is the one pictured, and of which he commissioned this pic some years ago.

So, if you are an artist who draws male wolf fursonas, please be on the guard for any pilfering from this user, who is found not only here on IB, but on FA, SoFurry, dA and Facebook. He HAS stolen art from other artists and wolf fursona owners!

And we must make it clear that art theft, no matter where it's being done or posted to, is not tolerated by anyone, anywhere, EVEN IF IT'S NOT POSTED HERE!

This makes IB look bad.

SoFurry already got hit with a similar fiasco, just weeks ago, and a mod there OKed it-- The admin, tournal , had to correct the situation.

No, it is NOT OK to steal artwork, even if it's not posted here!

Not now, not ever.

d.m.f.
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Added: 5 years, 1 month ago
 
Lyserdigi
5 years, 1 month ago
seems all pics and thingies have been removed already...
LupineAssassin
5 years, 1 month ago
True,
Ainoko
Ainoko
just told me.
Lyserdigi
5 years, 1 month ago
flabargasted that fa actually does something about.. well.. anything..
LupineAssassin
5 years, 1 month ago
Three weeks later. Makes you wonder....
dmfalk
5 years, 1 month ago
Betcha Beau had something to do with it. :P

d.m.f.
LupineAssassin
5 years, 1 month ago
I didn't notice if he logged in or not.
dmfalk
5 years, 1 month ago
*nod*

d.m.f.
catprowler
5 years, 1 month ago
Yes,  or maybe this journal I mean you put it up and it goes Poof.   :)
dmfalk
5 years, 1 month ago
No- LA's journal about finding out about the theft was a few hours before me, and several furs made complaints on FA about that user's art thefts. (I didn't- I'm actually persona non grata there when it comes to Dragoneer, and have a MUCH longer history with regards to 'Neer than LA has- even longer than FA's existence, itself! LA can't file a complaint, because he's permabanned, due to an outburst he's long since repented over.)

But for however it happened, I'm glad that user's gallery has been pulled.

d.m.f.
dmfalk
5 years, 1 month ago
That is good news.

d.m.f.
Lyserdigi
5 years, 1 month ago
then again.. one part of this is that..
FA is often blamed for banning and punishing people from what they did outside of FA..
so, should IB ban or punish people for activity outside of their site ?
even though the actual piece of art may have been got from IB, still a bit fine line to tread imho.
i do not want IB to turn even remotely into FA like institution, so that people here should even start to worry about the things they do outside of the site.
and all that.
just my personal opinion.
LupineAssassin
5 years, 1 month ago
Every opinion is valuable, as long as people stop fucking with me. :P
Lyserdigi
5 years, 1 month ago
Abstinence woofy...
<.<
LupineAssassin
5 years, 1 month ago
*hugs* I'm good. ^^
dmfalk
5 years, 1 month ago
If it affects what goes on at IB, even if it's not posted here, it does become IB's business, and can reflect back on IB as such. In this case, the user in question IS skimming from IB to use as his own, therefore it does become IB's business.

If it doesn't have any bearing on IB or any of its users, it's not IB's responsibility, and the action that the admins chose to take would be correct.

Artists and character owners should be protected from art theft, even if the theft is not posted here, but does come from here.

d.m.f.
Lyserdigi
5 years, 1 month ago
i bet FA admins use the same logic when people talk bad things behind their backs on other sites..
"it reflect bad on us and undermines our authority and whatnot.. lets punish him"
now again, do not get me wrong, i so not support nor accept art theft.
just that.. without 100% proof that he acutally got the pic from here..
like .. think of scenario that he picked that pick from random 4chan or whatever gallery and used it.. still would be art theft, still the original pic was first posted here, but he got it from elsewhere.. now i'm not debating that this did happen, or how likely these scenarios are, just that without 100% or based on likely scenarios, punishing people on IB from activity they did outside of IB without 100% proof that IB was abused, would be draconic use of authority.
dmfalk
5 years, 1 month ago
Well, we do know where he has been, and at this point I'm sure FA and SF got their sights on him ( tournal , the admin at SF, is a close friend of LA), so even if nothing is done here, he might end up being squeezed out, especially since LA and I have now alerted others to this culprit- You just don't mess around with artists and character owners within a large artist community like furry like this.

It he only did this once, true, there really wouldn't be much that could be done. This user is a repeat offender- The only thing in question here is, if the art he's stealing, modifying, and claiming as his character, is indeed originating from IB, especially from LA's gallery. I think the user block/bans here need to be stronger, so if such an incident like this occurs again, said user could become completely blocked from seeing any submission by a given poster, and not just have a workaround of having to directly peruse an artist's gallery. There's supposed to be some measures LA or anyone else could use that prevents any further access, but I don't know what.

d.m.f.
CyberCornEntropic
5 years, 1 month ago
I presume Lupine Assassin has already Banned the User from his account.
dmfalk
5 years, 1 month ago
I would hope so, too...

I've pre-emptively banned the loser, myself... :P

d.m.f.
DOtter
5 years, 1 month ago
Thanks for reminding me; blocked and banned.
LupineAssassin
5 years, 1 month ago
I blocked him here, on DA, SF, Weasyl and Facebook.
DOtter
5 years, 1 month ago
I should block him on FA and SF, too; I don't have the rest of those.
Jimbear
5 years, 1 month ago
IB usually sits around and does shit about half the cunts on this website and outright say so.  I was harassed, and they did nothing about it.  The difference here is, the harassers harassed me on IB itself, not outside of IB.  And they mentioned me by name, not in generalizations.  Those who know me know damn well about this particular suffering -

https://inkbunny.net/journalview.php?id=18445
https://inkbunny.net/journalview.php?id=73127

"Freedom of speech?  It's only their opinion?"  And, truth be told, I didn't want the users banned.  I simply wanted the offending journals and comments removed, period.  Take away the slander, and everybody can coexist, right?

So, tell me that situation shouldn't have been dealt with in a proper manner!?  What's a proper manner?  How does FA handle stuff like this?  When they get around to me (turnover is usually a couple days given the mass of stuff they deal with on a daily basis), they issue the user a warning and remove the offending journal lickity split.  If the user continues to harass me or say shit about me, it's sayonara!  Of course the user must mention me by name in order for it to be considered direct harassment.  I mean, I still report harassment on FA when my name is not mentioned but I know the journal's about me, but only to get the user under their radar since there's no direct proof.

Anyhoo, back to the art theft.  This art theft happened off site.  Granted the art was stolen from here, there's nothing IB can really do about it unless the stolen art was reposted here.  IF this site were FA and the idiot posted the art here, there wouldn't be much FA could do about it since it's outside of their website.  So in this case, it isn't due to inefficient hippie IB moderators but rather due to circumstances.  Bottom line is, lay in the weeds.  Wait for the idiot to strike again, and then report him again.  If he takes another piece of Allan's art and posts it on FA as his sona, and we report him, more than likely he'll get banned.  How do I know?  Personal experience with my art being stolen and bastardised.  FA has a good system in place like that, and the only thing it requires is patience.
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