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BunnyFoxglove

Another Pet Peeve (Artists read at your own risk!)

Okay first I want to start by saying I love the artists in this community. I get great prices, and good work for the prices I pay, and I'm thankful for that.

However, there's this misconception going around that "Artists" should be paid this huge amount more for their work. While it's true that some artists in the fandom are worth a lot more than they charge, that is not the case for most.

A lot (not all!) of the pics that are posted on IB are not of the quality that professional places would pay for. On top of that, getting a job in the field is not easy. The average salary ranges from low 30k to about mid 40k. At those salaries you're expected to produce results in a timely fashion. If you're a good artist but it takes you a long time to finish your work due to "art block" or other complications, or you're just slow at it. Chances are you're going to have a hard time getting a job in the field.

If you really think that your art is worth $25/hr (~$50k/yr) and you struggle to make ends meet in the fandom (aka the ones who complain about not getting commissioned), maybe you should try to get a job in the real world. No, seriously. It might bring you back to reality, or land you a good job.

The sad reality is that the market is flooded with people who can draw. It may be lacking in people who draw well, but if you're not out there marketing yourself you'll never know where you stand. The art we commission here is generally not great works of art. They are merely fun pieces of our imaginary characters. They're not made for commercial use, or publication. It's just silly pieces we use to have fun with our free time and money.

I'm glad that there are people who produce art in the fandom, and I think it's great that some people can make a living off it. But if you can't, I don't wanna hear you cry about how your prices are too low, and no one will commission you if they're higher, and how you're worth so much more. Because honestly if you think you're worth so much more, GO FUCKING DO IT!

The fandom will still be here if you fall flat on your face. The fandom will still be here if you succeed and get a great job. But only in the fandoms will you get the ability to do art at your own pace. Anywhere else you have time commitments and contracts with obligations to meet. If you don't meet them, you either get sued or fired. Since this fandom is mostly just your average Joe's, you get a lot more leniency and the ability to dictate your own terms.

I'm just sick of hearing artists use the phrase "I could make so much more in the real world!" When the truth is they either can't get, or can't hold, a job doing art in the real world or else they would be working there instead of the fandom. Very few artists in the fandom could market their skills in the real world. That's a cold harsh fact, and I'm sorry if that offends any of you.

Anyways, that's all I want to say on this subject for the moment.
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Added: 5 years, 2 months ago
 
Kinase
5 years, 2 months ago
I would like to give my 2 cents.

I do really think there are many too artists charging way too much for their works. Still, this mostly depends on their fame, so you jut gotta blame who pushed them up to the stardom :P

Walking around the dealer's den at Eurofurence helped me noticing there are really a lot of talented artists which are still unknown even if their works are way better than many popufurs (I have a couple of popufurs names I'll keep for myself) with really low commission prices.
For example, I paid my eurofurence badge 20€. While I was searching for an artists to commish, I've stumbled upon a popfur charging something like 70$ for a badge. On my personal opinion, the quality of the 70$ one wasn't as good as the 20€ one. The price was just a matter of popularity.

Another thing, I don't think it's a good choice to live on commissions. I don't see it as a safe job, considering how many journals I read about furries being broken and without home.

(might sound a little confusing, I'm sorry)
BunnyFoxglove
5 years, 2 months ago
I definitely agree, there are a lot of good artists who do under-charge for their work. And yes, it is a matter of popularity because that drives the supply and demand market. A lot of the cheaper artists are lucky if they make $8/hr, and that is a shame when they actually are worth more. But when an artist charges $70 for a piece and it takes them 12hrs, there's something wrong there. Either they work too slowly and need to improve, or they charge too little. Honestly in most cases they just work too slow, and until they try their paw in the real world they will never be able to see it.

I just get tired of seeing artists say that they could make so much more in the real world. When the fact is they can't get a job in the real world, which is why they're doing art in the fandom instead.
Kinase
5 years, 2 months ago
I basically separate Con badges from other kinds of commissions. To my eyes, a badge shouldn't be a great piece of art like a normal commission or a portrait. It should be used simply to let othet attendee know who you are. Spending too much time on it or tossing too many details in definetly ruins his purpose. That's why I'll never pay more than 20/25€ for it.
KevinSnowpaw
5 years, 2 months ago
Popufers who charge inflated prices and or act like A list celebrity are toxic to this fanbase, Just like A list celebrity are toxic to the rest of the world =p Or at least the tabloids about them are. XD

I find myself agreeing completely with bunnys points and His sentiments and yours are shared by me.
BunnyFoxglove
5 years, 2 months ago
The inflated prices of popufurs are a direct result of supply and demand.... while it would be great to get a piece from them at a reasonable price, they would get hundreds of offers if the prices weren't set so high. Essentially, they would be ripping themselves off at that point. You can only do so much work, and if people are willing to pay it, that's just how business works.

It's the difference of working for minimum wage, or making a $80k/yr. Is that greedy, or smart business? I don't have a problem with popufurs over-charging (my issue there lies in the amount of people who help inflate the prices to that point). The issue here is more the artists who produce lesser quality and have just as much ego. XD
Alaskafox
5 years, 2 months ago
amen sister!

this is why i hold a real full time job with commissions on the side.
while i do belive that my overall talent could rake in more, i dont really complain about what i do get. Nor do i ever rely on it for true income. its all just gravy to me.
at the moment im not complaining about lack of commissioners because i have had a definite spike of interest (i made over 100$ in a week, thats huge to me), but the only thing that frustrates me when i dont get buisness is due to the fact that there are much less talented artists out there getting more work for higher prices than i do.
BunnyFoxglove
5 years, 2 months ago
I commend those who hold a full-time job and can still do commissions on the side. That, in truth, is how a lot of artists work in the fandom. Art is more of a hobby here for most, and if you want to make it your living you need to step up your game and apply yourself. Otherwise, it's best to be humble and take what you can get, and just enjoy what you do.

I mean that's why most people seem to start drawing in the first place, because it was fun. If you can make a few bucks doing that, all the power to you.
Alaskafox
5 years, 2 months ago
yup :)
i remember though once i saw an artist here that made a journal saying he was leaving IB to rejoin FA cause appearently they make 1000$ a week there and only 400$ a week here.

im like HOLY SHIT, i dont even make 400$ a week at my REAL job. X.x
livin' dah good life.
BunnyFoxglove
5 years, 2 months ago
lol, we won't mention that person has also been caught tracing before.
Alaskafox
5 years, 2 months ago
really?
so you know who i speak of then.

of course you do who do i think im talking to haha
NemoTVChampion
5 years, 2 months ago
I definitely agree with you here.  But the problem is the lack of jobs available... though I'm sure most artists know they NEED to have a job in the real world.  I myself and looking heavily.
BrandonBunny
5 years, 2 months ago
Everything I have colored or drawn has been free. But I also have a real job and I treat art as a hobby, I think it's more fun that way.  I'm glad I don't fall into this Bracket :3
mchollis89
5 years, 2 months ago
Some of these artists live on these commissions, so i can accept their prices being a little up there.
BunnyFoxglove
5 years, 2 months ago
I think perhaps you misread the journal. I have no problems with artists charging what they want. I have a problem with artists crying about being under-paid, and not even trying to better themselves.

It's about the artists who raise their prices, and then complain they get no business because the reality is they're just not worth what they think they are. Basically it's about inflated egos more or less.
JackVanGraff
5 years, 2 months ago
When they're desperate and broke, that's when you can get cheap commissions.  It might be a bit snide to most people, but when it comes down to it, what you're willing to work for is what your work is worth.  

I find it astounding when I come across popular artists and their commission prices, and just as talented (if not more) but not as popular artists charging less than half for full color with background original commissions!!  >o<
r3drunnerRENAMED
5 years, 2 months ago
I totally agree with this - I have a full time, professional photography career, and I've worked in graphic art and web design before. People that say their art is as good as the industry professional art are usually lying, and need to get a real, full time art career if they're that good.

However, I will say that, in some cases, you can hire someone like DogBoneArtWork for $200 (ish) and a professional for $800-2000, and get similar results, on a very similar time frame. I do commissions for fun and I'm very new to it, and I know they're a steal compared to what professionals charge outside parties. To counteract that: you're not going to need furry pr0nz professionally done very much, I'd reckon ;D
BunnyFoxglove
5 years, 2 months ago
The difference being of course, that the $200 version grants you very limited use. Where as the professional one usually grants you license to use it for business applications (logo, letterhead, other business and sales related things). Seeing as it's just furry art, it's rarely for anything other than personal use.

As for DogBone, as talented as she is (and yes I have no doubt she is quite talented), I'd rather just go to the artists she traces from instead. But that's a totally different topic. ;P
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