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Kaon

Adblock - Yay or Nay?

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So after all the fuss and debate over adblock's ad campaign to advertise adblock I decided to put in my two cents worth , not about the ad campaign, but about the software as the biggest issue seems to be a lot of people with their panties in a bunch over lost revenue due to blocked ads.


First off, yeah, they're right.  Ads pay revenue to websites and website contributors, allowing websites and contributors to pay their bills and keep the sites running.  Without ad revenue, contributors wouldn't be able to contribute as much and websites might need to start charging a subscription or close entirely.  I have no problem with people being paid for their work.  Every time adblock block an ad, they lose revenue.

What I have a problem with however, is the complete disregard for internet security most of these websites have.   Many of them simply put up any ad they are shown a fat wad of cash for displaying and don't bother to screen it. Ads can have viruses, malware, keyloggers, spyware, adware and everything in between present in them. If I download a file that has a virus in it, that's my own stupid fault for not being more careful.  If I go to a well known, popular website and an ad auto uploads a virus to my system, this is not my fault in any way, nor should I be expected to clean up the mess it causes at my own time and expense. Most people encountering this will no longer visit the site that sent their antivirus into a fit and if they suspect the ad on the site was responsible for the virus, they'll probably stop supporting that product as well.

Guess what?  Your site and product have just lost revenue!

  Adblock is a touchy subject, some people have called adblock users internet 'pirates'  and some websites actually block adblock users from viewing their content unless their site is whitelisted.  I automatically boycott these sites. A site that does this doesn't care one whit about the users who frequent and support it, all they care about is revenue at any cost.

Now, if a site wants me to whitelist them from adblock and gain all that fat, juicy revenue, they simply need to place a clause in their terms of service guaranteeing my security from viruses.  Furthermore, this clause must state that if my system picks up a nasty from their site they accept immediate legal liability for any inconvenience caused or costs incurred.

What's that you say?  Won't ever happen?  Then adblock stays. Deal with it.

My internet security > your wallet.  No exceptions.
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Added: 5 years ago
 
soggymaster
5 years ago
What are these "ads" you speak of?

My sanity > your wallet, just as an FYI.
Kaon
5 years ago
I can deal with ten second ads included in the front of videos or ads hard embedded into a site (written on the page with an actual JPG+text).  I won't accept the usual current format of internet advertising without a guarantee of security.

>.>

<.<


And yeah, constant, unskippable two minute ads thrown at me every five minutes drives me nuts.
MystBunny
5 years ago
I use adblock to preserve the limited download capacity my ISP provides me. Fuck anyone who calls me a pirate for being forced to pay $90 a month for extremely limited service, and using what I'm given for ME. Also, because of my ISP's habit of throttling streaming video, ads often get stuck, forcing me to sit through an ad that's constantly buffering just to get to the content I want. No thanks. Sometimes I have to refresh a video lots just to get it to play right, and I'm not going to sit through an ad that ONLY plays in high quality, sucking up my download capacity every single time.
axlegear
5 years ago
Fuck satellite.
MystBunny
5 years ago
X3 Agreed, but the only way to leave it out here would be to go with Verizon (even more data restrictions, slower, and shitty signal), dialup, or move out of here, which I'm working on.
axlegear
5 years ago
I feel your pain.  When I was on satellite, it was effectively sub-dialup.  200 MB a day limit, and a 24-48 hour temp-ban if exceeded.  Latency of 1600-2400ms, and $90/mo.
Kaon
5 years ago
I can see why adblock is fairly useful to you.  I'd hate my bandwidth constantly eaten by ads.
MystBunny
5 years ago
That and clipconverter ^_^ Can have it download youtube vids for me and convert them to mono sound, nearly halving the bandwidth. Of course google tried to shut it down once by doing some "this site has been known to install malicious software" crap. Though guess what was actually installing malicious software on that site. Yep, ADS!
Kaon
5 years ago
Yeah.... doesn't surprise me.
daemonicusprince
5 years ago
A few thoughts:

1)"Every time Adblock blocks an ad, the site loses revenue"? Bullshit. Every time the advertiser decides to stop paying the site to show their ad, THAT'S when the site loses revenue. The advertiser stops showing ads when they get stats that show clicks are down for that site.

but WHO THE HELL WAS CLICKING THE ADS BEFORE? Certainly not the sort of person that's installing Adblock. Before Adblock, I distinctly remember seeing all the banners on various sites and NOT clicking a single damn one because they were stupid. Just spoken from personal experience, but I find it very hard to believe that they lost any significant traffic because of this, beyond the guy who accidentally clicked and immediately left.

2)If it's a site I like/trust, and/or content I really want, and they're pleading to turn off Adblock, I'll consider it, not because I'm gonna click the ads anymore (I didn't before, so what's the point, really?) but just to 'help' them or get the content I'm looking for. I've never had a problem with security holes in the ads (is that a Mac thing? I dunno), and while I know some download site that forces me to watch an ad is getting billions from me and the rest collectively, I'm not so offended that I'll take a stand, it's still cheaper than $30 for a BluRay of something I'll watch once.

3)People who don't want marketing shoved down their throats are now "pirates"? That takes chutzpah. Never heard that case made, but sounds like a desperate attempt to scare people into the status quo by hijacking a new buzzword they think is looked down on universally. Pro tip: most net users don't look as down on 'pirates' as corporations do, and when they smell bullshit they know it, whether you try to call it a rose or not.

4)If a company that makes a product is so desperate for revenue they need to go to such extremes to SHUT DOWN internet innovation and force eyes to stare at their obnoxious and misleading ads, they have a problem. How about you make a product I want to buy? THEN I'll be happy to buy your product. I don't need to be told what I want/need, I'll know it when I get there, and if you offer what I'm looking for, I'm more than happy to give you my business. Period.

End Rant. (I think that was a little more upper-case laced than I intended when I started out)
axlegear
5 years ago
+500 for this
Kaon
5 years ago
On some sites such as youtube, the site has an internal counter for each ad , they are given revenue each time an ad is displayed in front of a video.  No one has to click the ad, so long as it pops up and is seen, they get a few cents.  Adblock stops the site from registering the ad was played at all and lost revenue results.

There are a lot of critical vulnerabilities present in ads.  Whilst it does depend on the site as some take the issue more seriously than others as well as well as it depending on how good your antivirus is, almost all random viruses, spyware and the like that an internet user picks up seemingly out of nowhere are the result of infected ads.

I'd think the 'pirate' tag is essentially what you say it is, bullshit.  Whilst the argument could be made that ads are the way these sites are paid for their content and blocking ads means you are effectively getting the content for free (pirating it) , there's a large difference between downloading a cracked game and blocking a few obtrusive ads.  In my books, anyways.

As for your fourth point... yeah exactly.   Make your site so awesome (and safe)  that I don't mind you ads.
daemonicusprince
5 years ago
The other analogy that occurred to me this afternoon: people who fast-forward through the commercials they used to stick on VHS tapes - are they "pirates" for not sitting with the whole family through the ads they can skip?
Kaon
5 years ago
Or muting the TV and leaving the room for a bathroom break during a movie.  Yeah, exactly.
riox
5 years ago
I used to run ads on my site but 50% or so where using Adblock and if you have p0rn on your site... you get scams and other garbage injected. Anyhow... I scaled down my operation so that I can pay the bill out of my own pocket... should the need arise to move to a real server I'd just use Quality of Service (QoS).

Full speed for those who donated something.
Full speed for those who take part in the community (good reputation, uploads etc.)
Best effort for the rest of the Internet.

I think that is the best solution... well for my furry smut distribution it is :P
Kaon
5 years ago
Yup, this seems to be about the state of things.
InaasgaEl
5 years ago
There was one site I would rather constantly get sent to after installing a product, and it would tell me to whitelist it so I could see its contents.  One day, tired of being harassed by this site over my use of Adblock Plus I whitelisted it... and it proceeded to open about twenty tabs in my Firefox browser, and then decided to open a new instance of Firefox browser.  I almost flew into a panic, but instead decided to completely close the browser and re-add the site to my blacklist.  The site's main complaint about Adblock was "ads support our site and by using Adblock you're contributing to our demise."  Well, if not allowing a website to completely take over my browser and eat up all my system resources just so I don't get a stupid pop-up telling me to shut Adblock off is contributing to their demise, then they're not worthy of continued survival and I'm quite happy to contribute to its death.
Kaon
5 years ago
This.  Any site that relies on ads but chooses to spam a user not using adblock with goodness knows what trash is not something I want on the internet.
axlegear
5 years ago
Frankly, in the early days of the internet, websites did not need, and most did not consider, the use of advertisements to generate revenue.  In recent years, more and more sites are proving that ads are not necessary to generate revenue, and often hurt public opinion or worse-  cause security breaches that can crush the revenue of an established company.

In simple, I am of the opinion that if a website is designed to rely entirely on ads for it's revenue, then it deserves to fail.  It does not have a functioning business model, and relies on the fallacy of 'website popularity contest' for justifying it's existence.
Kaon
5 years ago
Indeed.  Ads do not need to be vomited into the face of a user to be effective, plus you then get a virus from the obnoxious, content delaying trash being shoved in your lap?  Best way for a site to sign it's own demise.
SpoonFox
5 years ago
The reason I got adblock was because Three websites (Curse, youtube, and an anime site's 'google ad') all had malware, one of which (youtube) was undetected until it caused harm. I unblock sites (like twitch) that I know are safe (Even then... I'm wary about it)
Kaon
5 years ago
I suspected youtube had malware in it's ads, but never ran into it myself.  
steveredd
5 years ago
see what i HATED was when id go and wathc a video on youtube and the AD takes LONGER to download than the actual video . Plus some sites like the escapist would put a ad Around the video so if i clicked somewhere outside of that video id go to the advertisement. I dont mind adblock because it still dose have the ability to allow user to show ads if they want them. I doubt much will miss the ads.
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